That was a genuinely beautiful piece the likes of which I have not read for many lunar cycles.
I do not know the book from which that tale originates, but if you find it, I should very much like a copy.
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iâm asking you this specifically because you seem to me at least to have some common sense in such matters. The only other I can say I would feel could possibly give a respectable answer would be Gaven.
You have someone your corporation itself has said nobly served your group and your empire. Their family is attacked and they take what ever means necessary to defend them proactively. You speak of knowing the truth before you strike but outcast a loyal servant to your throne and your corporation THE NEXT DAY. Do years of loyal service mean nothing? Does this fact collecting only count for other entities? Your corporation doesnât believe in probationary period? Iâm sorry but this seems a bit overboard. I say this more so due to it seeming just wrong.
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You donât seem to understand them. If a Minmatar doesnât toe the line perfectly, they must be pushed down as hard and brutally as possible. The relation, while they may have pretended otherwise, was never one of friendship or camaraderie. It was simply the extension of slave and master.
So out come the whips.
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I donât paint my targets with the same brush, they wouldnât last as long as they have if they didnât have common sense. Understanding them doesnât mean i donât expect them to surprise me from time to time.
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Is there doubt as to what Samira did that I am missing, Deitra?
If Chakaid had accused her of the crime, we would not have acted without absolutely conclusive proof. But that is not the case here. Samira publicly announced her guilt.
No matter what good she has done in the past, she has now committed a terrorist act against an Amarr target. In doing this, she has tied our hands and any personal loyalty we might have felt towards her is moot.
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So it would mean nothing if he infact was responsible for the attack and she struck? Donât get me wrong I do understand the logic behind it, but wouldnt simply finding the facts in the overarching issue add some vindication for her? To me it seems labeling her an outcast before the final judgement in the actions that caused her action seems unjust since the basis isnât proven. Yes, maybe she struck preemptively and using support you donât agree with, but can you say without a doubt it was unwarranted yet? Do you know of she knows something your command does not? Was their any attempt at finding that information? Less than 24 hours is not enough time to really prove the facts, if the facts in such cases were as important as I believe they are to you and your own, it seems your not giving any effort in finding them for or against your loyal subject.
Thank you.
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It would mean nothing if he really were behind the attacks.
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So, attempting to kill her family means nothing? Iâm sure your family being put in peril would. You say you wonât act without facts, yet your not passing that notion on towards someone who worked to defend your own, because someone who threatened your own said so. Iâm sorry but that doesnât make sense to me.
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One evil does not justify the second. And Samira had options for dealing with him that did not involve terrorism, even if she seems blind to them.
Terrorism against an Amarr target is not an issue on which there are shades of grey.
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He is accused of applying similar terrorism.
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Iâm curious: why the qualifier? Why does it matter that it was terrorism against an Amarr target?
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My family was targeted in the Oris attack.
The villain behind these attacks also needs to be found and put down, legally and permanently.
That doesnât change that Samira crossed the line and we cannot change her actions.
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So give her the benefit a loyal servent deserves. Find that target and if she was wrong Dole out punishment then. Anything else doesnât respect her service. This is coming from someone opposed to her stances, this is just wrong.
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Itâs not whether she was wrong that is the issue.
I personally think she is very likely correct.
Her methodology was still an unacceptable act of terrorism.
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She attacked military targets, terrorism that is not. The other points I agree with, the punishment however does not fit the crime yet.
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We disagree on the definition of terrorism. However, âa covert extralegal viral weapons assault on a military unit under the Amarr standardâ would also be enough to merit this response.
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I will say, you argue with one of those people who are accused of such actions as to what the definition of terrorism is⌠good luck. But please tell me, how does attacking the military hurt civilians directly in an attempt to invoke fear?
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I am astounded at the number of capsuleers that seem to so quickly take the position that immediate, violent retribution without anything beyond circumstantial evidence and certainly no process is now considered âthe right thingâ.
We expect better of our pilots, of Amarr. That is why we have continued to call out heresy where we see it. That is why we continue to fight it. That is why we investigate these concerns when we see them, and they is why our long memories and considered response have allowed us to continue to do these things for 15 years.
A quick response may be cathartic and feel like it addresses the issue. Our experience is that it does not last. And certainly not when it is done with no consideration to the process and consequences.
Certainly being cast out of all legitimate Amarr circles is not the way to continued efforts to keep all Amarr on the right path. Any fool can show faith on the day it is asked of them. Itâs every other day that counts.
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Yeah I mean thatâs why youâve flown with - and probably will again, many a time - Blooders and Sani Sabik and fly with pirates on a regular basis, etc. I mean, some even fought for MinMil. Maybe itâs time to stop pretending you have principles except for when itâs convenient. Your hypocrisy is astounding. âThat is why we continue to fight itâ doesnât count if you donât also fight it when itâs difficult. Not just when itâs one loner.
⌠hell, most of you donât have the guts to face a loner either.
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You are a fine one to speak of hypocrisy. You hide behind the fact you were in Serpentis corp, you did things to better the Serpentis faction. You have held slaves, so I find your hypocrisy disgusting and nauseating. Come back when you are actually being truthful to people of WHAT exactly you are.
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