You could with fish they dont have in the North Atlantic.
Tuna for a start, and maybe the salted or fermented fish from APAC regions, theyâd probably like those.
thanks for the canned response.
Shop items are supposed to be luxury items. The easier it is to obtain them with PLEX obtained from ISK, the less of a luxury they are and the bigger the effect on PLEXâ market price.
- Every shop item can be bought with PLEX
- The cheaper PLEX are, the more items will be bought with PLEX bought from ISK.
- The easier it is to obtain PLEX from ISK, the lesser the perceived value of shop items becomes
- The more items are bought with PLEX from ISK, the higher the market price of PLEX goes.
Itâs a shitty situation for CCP, because it means less income. Now weâre on the following road:
- The higher the PLEX price goes, the less people can buy shop items with ISK.
- Thus the higher PLEX go, the more people buy shop items with PLEX obtained with real money.
- Plus, the higher PLEX go, the more people buy PLEX with cash and drop it on the market.
A higher PLEX price means more people shell out cash for shop items, instead of buying them with PLEX bought with ISK. It doesnât matter if PLEX are paid for by others, because any PLEX additionally bought with real money is beneficial for CCPâs wallet and they either donât influence the market at all (because theyâre being used for shop items), or they help lowering the price a bit. More PLEX for shop items bought with real money also means more supply available for those who want to sub, because these PLEX arenât removed from the market, thus bringing down the price a bit. How much this âbitâ is, that weâll see, but they help.
Two people buying PLEX with real money are better than one person buying PLEX with real money. Every item not bought with PLEX obtained from ISK is a good thing, because the easier it is to obtain these items without cash, the less people pay real money for them and instead raise the price of PLEX on the market.
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In Russia you pay 408 RUB per month if you buy 12 months of Omega. 559 RUB if you buy 1 month.
Not sure whether this is some kind of promo or regular stuff - the page does not tell any adverts. And i pay with PLEX for pretty long time.
In Russia you pay 408 RUB per month if you buy 12 months of Omega.
This is wrong. itâs a fallacy, created by marketing, and people need to stop spreading it.
See here:
PS: In case itâs not clear: there is no option to pay a reduced amount per month. marketing misleads people into thinking and saying things that arenât real and âyou know what i meanâ canât be used as argument, because many people simply spread this without any further considerations.
sorry.
The real cost of the subs still convert to the number we provide. Itâs front loaded into a single transaction but if you are willing to budget for it, it is what the cost convert to per day/months. If people canât budget for it, maybe thatâs part of the reason they find it expensive.
15$ per month is a lot when you donât have the foresight to plan I guess. But they will keep on drinking those 3.50$ coffee every morning going to workâŚ
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WooshâŚ
what does your post change about what i said here, or behind the link? people are spreading a fallacy and they should stop, because itâs misleading them into thinking something becomes more affordable, when it doesnât. this then ends with people suggesting to buy a year-long sub, because itâs cheaper than paying for each month seperately. Cheaper. Not more affordable.
the numbers convert mathematically, but not realistically. there is no option allowing to pay a reduced amount per month!
Someone who canât afford 15 bucks per month does not care about âcheapnessâ, he cares about âaffordabilityâ, which does not improve when he pays a whole year upfront. your generalization of everyone into the bucket of âhe could afford, but feels entitledâ is valid for a subgroup of people who can not, or do not want to afford.
People are groups within groups containing subgroups; see also: group attribution error.
Now back to the topic, sorry for derailing.
Reason itâs not a fallacy.
Put x aside per month for 12 months. Pay at end of 12 months for next 12 months. That 12 month pay only cost you x per month.
You are quite simply wrong because of how budgeting works. Unless you only get a single pay check for an entire year
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Based on your logic, the best course of action is to tell people to simply wait a year to gather up the money before they start playing.
Well done, mate. Have a nice day. 
PS: budgetting is irrelevant. he canât afford x per month, therefore he canât afford x*12-reduction. what matters is affordability in the real world, not theoretical thoughts about other peopleâs money. no matter how you spin it, he canât afford the game.
Or you know. Have an entertainment budget already going and then just decide to put the built up month by month accumulation into starting eve.
Or spend time as an alpha for a bit so when they subscribe they get good value since they know the systems.
OrâŚ
So yeah.
Like I said. Budgeting and pay check frequency most places means you in most real cases are dealing with the monthly breakdown of an annual subscription.
in your head, yes, but not in the real life wallets of the people who canât afford. 
Based on your logic, the best course of action is to tell people to simply wait a year to gather up the money before they start playing.
Go tell 'em how to live their lives and now really have a nice day, if youâre actually capable!
If you canât afford it, EVE isnât a product for you. I canât afford a Ferrari so I donât try to get one. I could not even afford a super cheap car until really recently so I did not get one even if I was offered credit for it. If you canât budget money for EVE because your income is too tight, reducing the price of PLEX isnât the solution. There are cheaper form of entertainment than online subscription games.
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this is not a good analogy
ferrari is a specialised product marketed at those that can afford it
they dont rely on selling large numbers of cars
they can make 5 cars and sell each one for 25m to cover their development costs
or they can make 5000 and sell them 250k for a tidy profit
what they wont do is produce 250k cheap cars and sell them for 16k each to reach the widest possible market
thats what fiat is for
so maybe use fiat for your analogy instead of ferrari
i agree. and never said anything about reducing the price for plex. all i did was the above: pointing out, that a long-time sub does not increase affordability. that is all. vOv
you can go on and on about it all you want, yet nothing about it will change. i go back to lurking. vOv
It increase affordability if you can budget your expense. Too bad a lot of poor also canât budget.
Thatâs actually been proven to be totally false Frosty. Repeated studies have shown that the poor are more aware of where their money goes than the rich, along with the rich spending far more on things like alcohol & drugs.
You are mistaking a media created correlation with a causation.
I.E. Lets not get onto victim blaming people for being poor shall weâŚ
Especially since itâs not the poor in this thread. Itâs a few rich people crying about how the poor have it hard because of plex prices.
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If you cant/wont afford PLEX or Sub:
-Change ingame activities
-Play harder
-Sub
-Play Alpha
-Leave
Income for most activities ingame has not scaled alongside increases in PLEX price and there is no way around that and the huge isk introduction in some sectors + interference from injectors/SP farms are largely to blame.
You will have to bite the bullet and make a decision.
Mine is to remain Alpha till end of summer and then re-evaluate whether I can re-think/tool/plan my isk generation methods so as to be able to PLEX atleast one account consistently with a reasonable amount of play commitment after max 3 months sub.
If I can do that, I will stay in EVE.
If I cant, I will take an indefinite hiatus until I get a proper EVE itch again or something changes.
Nothing wrong with voicing concerns etc, but its more practical to focus on what you yourself can do and make a plan/decision accordingly.
There is no shame in deciding that EVE is no longer something you want to pay for, or play harder in.
Just about everyone takes a few months/years break from EVE somewhere down the line. Perfectly normal.
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I have tried to keep up with this thread for a while, but if you miss a day you have to read a hundred posts.
The thing that most seem to forget is the PLEX was not introduced as a method to play EVE for free, it was a method to combat RMT. At the time it was introduced, the only incentive CCP could use to get people to sell their ISK to other players was to offer them something for free that that player would have already been spending real money on, i.e. a monthly sub.
Looking at it from that perspective, the changes that CCP has made to PLEX lately are not as bad as everyone makes them out as.
First, the splitting of PLEX to nuPLEX. Without that granularity, the best CCP could do was sell you $20 worth of ISK at a time. The RMT could easily come in at half of that value and pick up the people who didnât need as much ISK or did not want to spend as much USD. By splitting it, they can now offer deals as low as $5.
Second, the artificial increase in demand for PLEX. PLEX can not be used as a medium for RMT if nobody wants to buy it. There would be no reason to buy PLEX over RMT if you canâs sell that PLEX. By increasing the demand, CCP has ensured that there will always be a market for it, and thus can always be a tool to fight RMT.
Lastly, I donât think that CCP is all too concerned about increasing PLEX prices. For combating RMT, it is actually a good thing, players get more ISK/USD which makes it harder for RMTers to compete. I think the only concerns they would have are sharply falling princes and maybe dramatic decreases in the total amount of available PLEX in game.
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Yeah, it did actually bring some fun back into this game
Nonsense. Really poor people have to be good at budgeting, otherwise they will have nothing to eat and no home.
If you can afford bad budgeting, for example wasting money on alcohol and cigarettes, then you are not really poor.
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