Poor Mkikaden, always in attack mode, wondering why his rantings get ignored. Ideas take time to form. Pouring too much salt on them stunts them. Deal with it.
You just donât get it, though. You hear the words but have no idea how civil discourse works. Sigh⌠
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False. I know how to dish out BS in return for BS I have received.
I can understand you not being able to see how it got to this point. But did you not see where we have a guy claiming to know my motivations better than I do? How can you not see how insane that is?
Its been shades of that all along.
That sounds like my replies to you have been mean. Have I been uncivil to you?
And if I havenât, donât you think its a bit much to deadpan declare âI have no idea how civil discourse worksâ? Seems to be very strong wording and a very strong accusation if you and I have had civil discourse all along, donât you think?
You didnât just agree with him is why he has beef with you.
Itâs straight Trumpism. Unless you 100% agree with his view and only find positive things to write about his posts, you are instead, a troll, griefer, someone that should be excluded, poison for discussion, etc.
We are only supposed to be a single hive mind apparentlyâŚunfortunately not a very expansive one.
Meanwhile Merry Christmas.
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This is a lie. You too make for a very poor mind reader. Its his hard line negativity that is the main problem, but also tendency to drag this all off topic.
See, I was patient when he took this right off course from the start, which was to bring up general moderation fo the entire forum. Its well off topic and not at all constructive for my idea of making the ideas section better. He even admitted as much at the end of the post. Was that helpful? NO. It wasnât, but I was patient. A quote:
Damn straight but, other than the link which was helpful, thatâs all his initial post was. He drug it off course from post one, continued with that in the next post, and then YOU later ran with it.
As for hard line negativity:
He does this constantly. When an idea is presented its a time to explore WHY IT COULD WORK. Instead there is his perpetual focus on WHY IT CANâT WORK. In later stages of discussion, that would be more welcome. But from the START he is SCREAMING âCANâT, WONâT, and NOTâ.
When asked for one simple positive he says:
Really? He cannot even say it would be nice to have a discussion with only people known to stay on topic, or something like that? Holy crap. I donât think the kid has a positive bone in his entire body.
Like I said before, he is great for debate but awful for discussion. He is like a man who only owns a hammer and sees everything as a nail.
If you were thinking of becoming a mind reader, I suggest you donât quit your day job.
Oh, also take your heinous accusation, wrap it up, put in under the tree, and later tonight, STICK IT.
Merry Christmas.
I have to admit, when I post an idea, I do not always think it through 100 percent first. <==We shall see how that comment is taken.
So anyway, now that this thread is a couple days old, I was thinking that an exclusive section for behaved and constructive posters who prove they know how to discuss could accomplish two very positive outcomes outside of just having a plain better list of better fleshed out ideas, and that would be the followring:
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clear examples of constructive posting for non-members to copy and study so as to improve their overall postings
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a force to motivate non-members to improve their post content in the case they want to join that exclusive section.
My main image of membership would be the fluid one where you can get dropped and picked back up again, and that would help add motivation to not only post better, but maintain that level. And it would give people a chance to fail but learn from their mistakes.
Very few think through their idea 100%. Even when people put a ton of thought into an idea, they can often not think of certain scenarios where their idea may break down.
Perfectly normal.
As to the rest of your post, I still feel itâs not a great direction to go. There are a number of concerns.
Who gets to decide who can post constructively or not. That is a highly subjective metric. People run the spectrum of sensitivity to criticism so one personâs constructive argument is another persons attack. We cannot even come to an agreement in this thread on the subject.
Even if you allow certain people into this exclusive area, I would guarantee you will still have those who will feel a person is attacking them when they are simply discussing their disagreement on an idea, or an aspect of an idea.
Some people simply arenât great with the spoken word. Others struggle with the fact that English isnât the first, or maybe even second language. They may make posts that have good thoughts, but come across wrong and offend others inadvertently. Getting too deep into judging someoneâs constructiveness will arbitrarily keep some people out without good cause.
Even as I read that above it isnât the most concise example. But Iâm not perfect with the written word either.
One likely result of all of this, I would predict, is you wonât end up with better discussion. You will likely just end up in an echo chamber.
Oh, and Merry Christmas.
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