Proposition to make ganking harder

Council Of Stellar Management Assembly Hall
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This would have been before 2010 … I remember a big deal about passing 100k active players, it’s possible it was a 24 hour window and not actually concurrent, it’s been too long :stuck_out_tongue:
I looked all over but most of the “data” is referencing the last few years. And I’m not finding the old posts that celebrated breaking the concurrent record. This was likely in 2008 or so, but it’s been a while. I know it was after Goonswarm started, it was a massive multi alliance battle which upped the count that day, quite a few days for that matter.

It was also a while before the loss of Vile Rat :frowning:

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The EVE-Offline.net status server goes back to day 1. There has never been more than 65k concurrent players. Ever.

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The daily average of concurrent players over the past 22 years is 36k. We are currently at ~30k this past week. Not bad for a more than two-decade old game.

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SOOO compared to what Eve was, and it is now, it is broken. Perhaps you are happy with the Eve of today, but it isn’t a game worth my time. If you don’t like my complaints, that is fine. Perhaps the game will stay the way it is, perhaps it changes in a manner that opens up the freedom it once had. At this point arguing the point is idiocy. I acknowledge it is not the game it was in the past, and I was asked to bring the discussion here by CCP.

Here is the kicker… returning players from the first decade of EVE will come as I have, want to take a few weeks to get their feet back under them, then look into joining a corp. But by the time they realize how much things have changed, many will just walk away as I am. I’ve seen various posts of such. And if you see one, you can expect there are 13 others that just left without saying anything.

You can put up an auto meme response of “get good scrub” or just simply say, yeah Eve is different, sorry you don’t like how it’s changed. Your response reflects on how I reply to you, which at the moment you seem very defensive about anything against hi sec ganking, I can only wonder if you are in a hi sec gank corp.

Either way you don’t care to listen to what I have to say, don’t care about finding a better resolution, you’d rather Eve has a more narrow window of subscribers, which will ultimately hurt it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that players buy plex and sell it for isk, multiboxers make isk and buy plex. IE the more players willing to buy plex leave, the more isk multiboxers will need to make to buy plex until the whole thing crashes, then Eve will be looking at a subscriber base of paying customer and those that pay isk for plex declining. You don’t quite grasp the difference of say 10 years ago, the vast majority of the player base was paying $ on a monthly basis. This is now a smaller amount, with that smaller amount buying plex and skills, skins ect.

HUGE difference. The scope of it is far more complex than just hi sec ganking, but it’s a big detractor for sure.

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well tbh, some things have indeed changed for the worse. Others have changed for the good. Your rant sounds like you are unable to adapt and expect a game that has stagnated at a point 15 years in the past.

Yes, some parts of EVE are really really crappy right now. But others are great. You still can have some very good fun here, just join the right group with the right people. And then ignore all the nasty content you don’t like.

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What makes you say this? If it’s the numbers, all MMOs have lost PCU. In part due to dilution of players across more games, but also that genre of game is not as popular.

To get us back on topic, since 2013, Ganking HAS been made more difficult. Making it more difficult even further will not cause a renaissance that people seem to think it will cause.

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As I last played in 2010, ganking is far more prevalent… even a standard way of making isk at this point. So I can only go by that. And I’m referring to hi sec ganking, not what I expect in lo - null. Funny enough it’s safer to travel in lo sec, and if that is the case… to me that seems a bit off. And I’m not talking about ganking players who are dumb/lazy to go afk traveling.

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That is my point… I wanted to spend some time doing solo stuff… poking into wormholes, pirate locations, abyssal, ect ect and then jump into faction warfare for a few months, AND then settle into a corp. I mean … it’s only been FOURTEEN YEARS. I’d like to explore a bit. While I’m doing that I’m putting to work the toons I have trained in research and industry, so I can make money to fund my exploration, providing I’m smart about it and procure the materials and get to the finished product to market in the window where it makes money. (funny enough, the items that have big profit margins are the same as they were 14 years ago) There is already a risk of hitting those windows where the price is profitable or having the product sitting on the market where your isk is tied up for a month or so. But hi sec ganking makes this basically unsustainable.

I havn’t looked heavily into invention but I know TII ship invention is not worth it… at least in hi sec npc stations, more profit in selling the data cores. Initially I wanted to enjoy a portion of Eve that requires either to be solo (which makes industry so much easier for my purposes), or to basically join a corp only to be off doing my own thing which on a personal level if I join a corp, it’s to be a part of the corp. I’m also not a corp hopper, every corp I’ve been in I’ve known people that I’ve played with since the first year I started, many have played for years, but they are no longer playing.

So that is my issue, the level of freedom to go out (in hi sec) is not the same as it once was. I don’t care how ganking was in 2014 or 2020 ect ect, it is not the same as it was in 2010… and there was hi sec ganking then as well, any idiot that wanted to afk travel was a target, and a freighter escort with 1 web was enough to ensure your safety. The way it is now, is what I would expect for lo sec travel, and now lo sec travel is more secure??? For the most part can flippers were more a danger in hi sec, and you just had to not be stupid. So no, it is now backwards from what it was when I last played.

Yes somethings have improved, some are worse. The organized hi sec ganking is a major issue for me, like it or not, so I’m taking my money to go play something else that I find more enjoyable.
If that is the way the “game” needs to be today then fine, I’m not wasting my time on it. I’m doing some of the things I set out to do before my current sub ends as I’ve already paid for it. I’ve read similar other posts, and I’m sure they will continue. I was prompted to come to the CSM channel and post my issue, otherwise I could care less.

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The More CCP nerfed War Decs in HS the more players turned to ganking…

The More CCP attempted to nerf or tweak ganking, the more Gank alts appeared, and super Mining ALt armies to supply those Ganker Armies.

Want Ganking to become less of what it is…UnNerf War Decs, and Return the WAtchlist to what it once was…Nullsec has upwells to hide supers these days.

@CCP_Swift you should pass this information along.

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Stop hammering your bloated numbers. We KNOW the record. EvE’s population is stable - we lost a good few with the re-work of the industry system and shifting ores around, and that did a LOT more damage to daily population than ganking has ever and will ever do.

It’s simple. Every single mechanic, every single aspect, of this game, that you know if, is another weapon in a player’s arsenal. I know how ganking works; I know why it happens in most cases. The GANKERS know this, obviously, and so they have a weapon in their arsenal you don’t.

It’s simple. EVERYTHING in EvE, like all other games, is a filter. Low Sec? Filter. Cloaking? Filter. Hot-dropping? Filter. Ganking? Filter. Scamming? Filter. People that don’t understand that ships are ammo and don’t matter long-term, only what you get out of their use? Filter.

The list goes on forever and at every step you have someone that came to EvE, quitting EvE. Heck, the UI ITSELF IS ANOTHER FILTER. I now a guy that tried it and could not handle it. He quit after less than a day.

If any one of these things ‘killed’ EvE we would not of had the 5-year celebration, let alone 10-year or 20-year celebration - This game is older than many of it’s players.

My advice? Go and learn how ganking work. Mechanically. Once you know that, theory-craft what reasons anyone would have to do it. Then put in the most basic thing everyone has to do in EvE to get anywhere; Risk-mitigation. Act with the knowledge that anywhere and anytime in High sec you could get ganked - the question is merely how likely.

Propositions to make Ganking harder have been done a lot and mechanics changes have been done a lot. The option to suicide-strike someone in high sec will NOT be going away because it will BREAK the game completely if it was. Limitations on it needs to be balanced against that fact, and personally I think it’s pretty well set up at this point.

And please stop crying about it on the forums. The gankers will get a chuckle out of it and the rest will be annoyed by ‘I don’t like this aspect that makes EvE harder than the average MMO: Tread number 43364567’ because we heard all this 5, 10, 15 years ago and beyond.

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Listen? Are we in a fleet? Capsuleers are Greedy and Stubborn. :grin:

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It’s like you didn’t really read anything I posted. I played the game for over 10 years.

I know how it works, I know it so well that I can figure things out better than most. I know how to camp a station and see who is dropping what off, and then trace that hauling alt to the corp of its production, how to setup a merc contract to slow down their production. Hi sec ganking has for the most part replaced that due to changes in the war dec system. Instead of staying busy with merc contracts, you have what it is now. Really… like I don’t understand the mechanics of what is going on, or figured out big pieces of why those changes have transpired. There are aspects to this game that are broken, that at one point were not.

I was asked to come here and post my issue. The fact I am leaving the game because of it’s changes since I last played isn’t due to your views or if you think the game is OK. I’ve already accepted it isn’t the game it used to be and I don’t have time to bother with it when it’s broken. It’s like you are arguing for me to stay instead of acknowledging the fact that the game has changed, and you just don’t care.

So please stop your “crying” that everything is fine. I have enough of your salty tears, and I don’t need to hear you whine anymore about it.

Good talk

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Indeed … must be why I played the game for 10 years and decided to poke my head in to see what is going on… Appears it is not how I left it :stuck_out_tongue:

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Obligatory: cAn I hAvE yOuR sTuFf?

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100% Best answer I’ve read to anything in relation to this subject.

You get it.

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I speak to more than you, in regards to more than your post. You are not the first to quit because the game beat you, one way or the other. You are not even the first to come here and complain as if “I’m leaving due to X, you would be better off fixing X” - The OP that started this tread made terrible suggestion for how to ‘fix’ things that would lead to so many new ways to break the game and to troll others in the same method.

Poorly thought-out and completely unviable options.

Then we have you, the 10-year vet, finally tired of EvE and… the game changed, is what sent you packing? Or specifically, ‘it’s changed in regards to ganking and that’s why I’m leaving finally.’

I did read what you wrote, up to the post I responded to. The rest, that followed after, I read after. I ma not crying that you are leaving - quite the opposite, and if you think ‘no you’ is somehow an argument, don’t worry I’ve read that too.

Some later time this week or next week we will have another post like this: “EvE is dying because ” insert whatever you want, it’s not nearly as bad as people hype it to be.

I also note that, you who are already admitted to be leaving, failed to recant your hyperbole that ‘oh noes EvE used to have 100K players, now it’s down’ to 20K’ as if that’s not a lie. What was the purpose of that? Was it somehow NOT to try and convince us that you are right and we are wrong, by utilizing fear-mongering, just like you apply hyperbole and the classic ‘no u’ method?

Btw, the game IS doing well, in a general sense, and we get what players have asked for. Why is there still a lot of ganking? Because it’s possible to do so. Why is war-decking down and ganking, to compensate, up? Because the war-deck system was changed. Why was that? In short: Requested changes. Only so many people can handle getting war-decced at random. Now all you have to do to be immune to them is to not have anything in space that makes you eligible for it.

We could argue then that war-decks are now broken, and at one point were not broken. Welp, guess if we ‘fixed’ the wardeck system we would get less ganking because people would have other means to do it. Do you know what else would make suicide-ganking go away completely?

Changing all of High-sec to Low-sec and made everywhere a free-fire area, punished only with sec-rating loss and make CONCORD come punish only those that dip past -5. Somehow, I don’t think you would consider that to be a ‘fix’ even if it would completely eliminate suicide-ganking as a mechanic.

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:smile:
Wooooo!

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N0 y0u5 c4n7 h45 my 57uff!!!

I’m still holding out for WIS and putting a chain of bars across Eve.

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Nope … no recant… I know there was a big deal of having 100k players online.
I did say it might have been a 24 hour window of 100k players but I absolutely remember it.

You are doing your best to forum warrior… I see it. Good job trooper, keep up the good work. Using baiting responses OMG WOW U R THE WINNAR!!!

I mean seriously… how is anyone supposed to have a convo with you?
Here is the thing… I don’t care :stuck_out_tongue:

Slaps you on the back and shove you out the back … go get em! :+1:

When you actually have something constructive rather than whining, let me know.

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:frowning:
Such a tease…

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