Please Send 1 trillion isk’s in this alt and I’ll quit eve. Promise. You can get my Stuffs in Tama. I’ll jettison it at the gates.
I don’t see how you come to this conclusion. I move around billions over billions each month in and out of the trade hubs (mainly Jita) and Ganking has never been an issue. I didn’t lose a single hauler ever, in more than a decade of playing pretty active now.
Advanced Industry isn’t (and shouldn’t) be a solo activty. Join a Corp that offers high-efficiency rigged Citadels if you want to do that specific kind of business. In a Massmultiplayer Online game, not every endgame content should be available to the solo player who intentionally avoids cooperation. There has to be motivation and reward if you play together with others, and access to these high-profit business opportunities is one of such rewards.
Again: That is only true if you are stubborn and don’t WANT to learn how to avoid being ganked. I can fly the whole day around in HS with whatever ship I like, from the blinged T3 over a shiny Marauder, an Orca, Freighter or Abyssalrunner - and I don’t get ganked. It’s not black magic, it’s just a matter about putting some effort into ensuring my safety. First by knowing who the major organized ganking groups are, then to know how they operate and last how to not get into their guns.
Maybe, but thats not a game issue, it’s a “you-problem”, because there are easy ways around that issue, you simply don’t WANT to take the effort. The game itself isn’t at fault at all, because it isn’t really that hard not being ganked. Quite the opposite is true: If I really don’t want to be ganked, the favor is 99.9% on my side and the gankers barely have any chance to kill me.
Wow… a bit of a YOU perception.
If production is bigger than a one person op, then how come I can do it quite successfully?
Also appears you don’t watch the killboards much… There is more activity, but I think there are a couple of alliances pushing at each other.
FYI … there are at least 2 corps that are running normal ganking opps the past week, which cover a wider time zone of semi safe travel. I have a life… kids/job and I will not play a game where each day I am beholden to windows of travel in hi sec. My choice, not yours.
I’m not just making this up, I’m going by what I have seen and done first hand. I really don’t need your skewed perception on what YOU think is the reality. What I choose to do and say is well beyond any off the cuff ignorant responses you have.
Thanks for showing the bubble you live in.
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Fail to back up arguments.
Double down on the arguments made with no more evidence than before.
Speaks of being a forum-warrior and mocks while still having nothing to show for one’s arguments.
Imply I’m the one it’s hard to speak to, imply I’m the one who whines, all the while you gaslight, ignore whole parts of the topic and lament that the game itself is so broken you need to quit.
Sure buddy. Let me remind you how we got here:
You come into the tread as reply 67 of, at the moment of making this, 104 replies total. You at once label-and-dismiss another person in the tread as ‘a ganking troll here to defend ganking’ - this both claims this person’s perspective is wrong and worthless, while the position taken is ‘defending ganking’ as opposed to, I dunno, the possible option that EvE is not as broken as you are actively implying?
THE VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH was you admitting you are here to spend your remaining time before you quit, to avoid, quote: ‘Being forced to be a ganker, either join them or leave the game.’
This is completely laughable as a position, as High-sec is only one area of the game where ganking can even mechanically happen, not to even get into details on how it’s avoidable and can be mitigated as a risk by anyone putting any little bit of effort into it.
The rest of your first reply was hyperbole doom-posting about how ganking is risk-free and come with no down-sides (an assessment that’s completely inaccurate too, as if you don’t put in the effort - yes, EFFORT - to make the gank happen and succeed, you fail and have wasted a lot of time, sec-rating and ISK. In EvE, TIME IS MONEY. If you want to just make ISK and choose gank for profit, there is a lot of reward only with the risk of failure, and to mitigate that failure, you need to know how to do it and what kind of preparation is required to pull it off.
With that same effort and time you can make ISK by a host of other means that come with as much risk and as much reward, but don’t directly impact other players nearly as much.
This btw, is why I told you that you don’t know how ganking works, because you SPEAK AS IF YOU HAV NO IDEA HOW IT WORKS. It’s no more complex than that: You are being judged for the statements you make. I don’t know you, nor you me, so these are the options I have to work with.
Your very next post is the ‘from 100K players to 20K players’ whine, in reply to my earlier post speaking to another. A set of numbers you pulled out of thin air and to this moment REFUSE to back up with anything. ‘I’m sure I’ve seen it somewhere before’ means nothing and has no value - we know the official numbers and they have been cited and linked to you.
you kept insisting on it over and over. You kept acting belligerent, belittling and mocking and speaking as if you had been dealt such a great injustice from the very start of your involvement here. Nothing but hyperbole, exaggeration, character-assassination, mockery and gaslighting, trying to convince others they got things wrong and you are somehow a great moral crusader that cares about the future of this game… that you are leaving, as we speak.
All of that’s very, very telling coming from the one invoking ‘forum warrior’ (while acting like one to the truest extent possible, complete with an inability to back one’s claims let alone dropping obviously incorrect claims and being a self-righteous, mocking tool) and ‘Eve is broken/dying and I’m leaving’ (whining that the game’s too hard/unfair/imbalanced/dangerous and that you are better off not playing it) all the while acting like a smug, self-assured quitter with one foot out the door already.
‘Conversing’ with you was annoying from the start, and there is no room for you, or anyone behaving like you, to complain about any of these things while being as petty and antagonistic as you are. I’ve not mocked or insulted you even once so far; I have disagreed and argued. For this I get the treatment you offer here.
Oh but remember: I’m the forum warrior that it’s hard to talk to, who whines and have nothing constructive to say. I’ve done nothing but be constructive with you and others here, and here I am doing the same thing again.
Btw. You DO care. You obviously, blatantly do. If you did not, you would have run out your sub to this horrible, dying game, and done it quietly and not showed up here to be oh so poorly treated by the likes of me, no? Try the other tropy reply of argument-losers everywhere: Claim you ‘win’ the ‘argument’ because I wrote to much in my reply to you. That’s what real forum warriors do, after all!
Well thats a poor way to say “I don’t want any advice, I only want to rant about my inability to adapt!”.
Your personal experience doesn’t mean much if “ganking is an issue” as you said yourself. Because you obviously do it wrong. By doing that for a longer time, that doesn’t result in more experience. Or any experience of any value at all.
However, keep your opinion. If you believe EVE isn’t worth your time any more “because of ganking” then just leave and play something else. Of course, your choice. But don’t try to make it look as if it would be the games fault. It isn’t. Its yours. Because not being ganked is very easy. What you see on the killboards are just the lazy fools not sticking to some basic rules. Some of them - like you - then coming to the forums and complaining about ganking being so oppressive while they should first look into what happened and what they did wrong to end as a killmail.
Please dont turn this game into eve echoes
Leave it alone and dont be an easy target.
To be honest… my response to someone of my post 14 years ago would have been much the same as yours.
BUT obviously I have taken up issue with it due to a mere 1/2 second window where I was bumped before warp. Now is it a matter of unlucky placement … maybe. Would it have mattered if I had a Cheetah… maybe. But there it is MAYBE. As I’ve said from the onset, I am not wasting my money and time on MAYBE for 1-2 seconds of in game probability for attentive hi sec travel. Perhaps the mechanics that were available even back when I played was still available, just not utilized very heavily. The game has changed in how it’s played, I’m completely aware of it, I see the differences and I see beyond that to the structure of things now with multiboxers and plex purchases. They thought they fixed the game, but in reality it’s a patch covering a whole… and not so well. Only a matter of time before it falls apart. Perhaps bringing war decs back to hi sec will remedy it… I am completely at a loss why they took it away, you can war dec anyone that has a deployable as it is. And smaller corps being bullied can drop out to a noob corp… wasted isk on a war dec. Really not a big issue as it was, as long as someone is creative.
I’ve since looked deeper into what is going on in hi sec… the killmails, the gank squads, the solo gank setups, the real lack of risk for those doing it (being bored waiting for a target). I’ve come to the conclusion that it is very unbalanced for risk vs reward. So much so that I would recommend ganking to anyone looking to make isk in hi sec. You get to blow something up, you get loot, and you don’t have to put much on the line that isn’t easily recoverable. Far better than running the same lvl 4 mission that you’ve run for 10th time that week, or the 25th abyssal site that day… WIN WIN.
So my opinion is heavily based on facts. My response to what I feel is either bs or you just don’t see the bigger picture… Let the rabbits wear glasses
Oh… and the keep my opinion to myself… I was asked to come here and post it
Thank you for contacting the EVE Online Player Experience.
I understand your concerns. Any feedback from our players is taken very seriously and we appreciate your contribution. I would encourage you to also consider posting your thoughts on the EVE Online forums.
I recommend that you consider highlighting your concerns to the CSM as well. They ensure that the voices of the EVE community are heard and you can either post on the CSM section of the forum or contact them directly.
If you have any further concerns or if there is anything you’d like to add then please let me know.
And just to be clear I wasn’t complaining or asking for anything, I was indicating why I was leaving the game… customer feedback. I actually started my response with “I am not in anyway asking for anything” it was purely feedback on me canceling my subscription.
That GM set you up for failure, you should contact him and tell him to lick your arse and get a new job.
I feel it was more an auto response, but I figure if that is what they really want…
I can get some entertainment out of it as well
Post your grievances on EVE Reddit. But give me five minutes to make some popcorn first. This should be good…
Maybe I could cut and paste, but one theater of drama is enough for my entertainment.
May as well post on this one too…
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No Where Eve is now, this would 100% throw it in the red and the servers would need to shut down. If this was the goal it would need to be executed smartly and slowly only while replacing those multi accounts with new subs.
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Interesting… I’ve been thinking of something like this.
- Mass vs damage IE a small ship bumps a big ship … the small ship looses shields/armor/hull by some calculation of speed/mass. Obviously bigger ships would take that same amount of damage. The issue with this is… instead of 50 catalysts bombing you, they just bump you. BUT perhaps the mechanics of being bumped altered to where something has to break your shields to actually move you by bumping you. This would make those that actively travel with a webbing alt much more secure, just enough to a point that I think is acceptable in Hi Sec.
This point has some validity of further discussion and a potential happy place for an outcome.
- hmm maybe… Maybe the transfer no larger than the the M3 of the ship placing items in the fleet hanger. I don’t know for certain, but I am pretty much guessing this would be a major pita in some other part of the game. So this is also very likely a No.
You don’t want real-world physics when it comes to bumping, that would be quite a mess. There are lore-based reasons why ships just bounce off each other. You’d have to change the lore as to how whatever field that is works.
I like to bump AFK Orcas in an 18km/s Vagabond. That is 12,000 tons of mass traveling at 40,000 miles per hour. It would be like getting hit by a comet. Both ships would be instantly disintegrated.
True… perhaps the physics in how it works with shields would need to be considered. All that without of course messing too much with the existing code and how it works in general. Perhaps tiering damage from ship class to ship class. It has a potential to be a solution, but would need a lot of thought to ensure it didn’t actually break anything else in the game.
I do know, actual ship models do overlap each other at times without causing a bump, so it’s not absolute. I am guessing there is a singular setting for the point at which a bump occurs. Then of course there is it’s usage outside of Hi Sec, and that is where I really see the difficulty in a solution. Of course with cynos cap ship fleets are not completely stopped by bumping, but cynos have timers so… A LOT of things to take into consideration. It could also be looked at calculating mass/speed needed to actually bump a larger ship. So there is a potential solution, maybe not the best solution, perhaps it would just end up causing other issues, but worth looking into.
Would I still get credit for the kill since I did lose a ship?