Pfff, Halo peasants. Quake 1/2/3 or bust! (and then some Red Orchestra).
initially no additional limitations should be done to see how the meta develops - only allowing certain ship classes is enough.
All Ewar and expensive modules should be allowed.
We have already memed some devs with a scripted damp setup on SISI - don’t worry guys, they know.
Of course some un-fun tactics like tinker RR and full ewar setups will develop.
After all (even if I don’t trust CCPs iteration process) the main reason for creating a instanced arena instead of for example putting acceleration gates with the limitations in thera - is to be able to iterate and make changes easily without influencing the sandbox.
wallet-winning like in the current arenas is going to be much less of a problem in group PvP because of all-in setups that just have to goal to kill that certain player - that’s also why we won’t see 140k EHP Nirvana caracals like on SISI
The same way you are not entitled to talk about the Abyss by the way.
What I am doing is applying simple reasoning, reasoning that you’ve said that you want but are incapable of actually listening to.
RvB and Mutual War provides ZERO ways through which CCP could introduce new content, how would they introduce a new ships from RvB? How would they introduce new content from RvB? Mutual War and RvB are just the same thing all the time, a bunch of people shooting at each other with no end in sight.
Again, I’m providing the reasoning you say you want, but are too stubborn and stuck in your ways to listen.
That and CCP has communicated several times on the reasons why they do things, they have communicated on why they want to add the new Proving Grounds on this very dev blog that you again refuse to listen to, they have communicated on the WarDec changes in HighSec and why they did it, and it’s okay that if you didn’t know about it, the problem is refusing to listen and remaining ignorant. They even communicated on how RvB was a challenge they had to consider when making the WarDec changes, and that in my opinion because RvB flies in the face of the design goal of the WarDec changes: having skin in the wars. RvB and mutual wars are anomalies that have no stakes, they have to be designed around, to me they seem more like a needed inconvenience.
This makes ZERO sense and is by far the worst suggestion I have read in this entire thread. Yes, even worse than anything (which is not much) that @bluelysian proposed.
Boosters are a staple of PvP in EVE and the low levels are affordable enough to even be used by Alpha characters. That and the debuff mechanic makes them have a disadvantage too, they are a perfect tool to make Abyssal fights more interesting!
As with limiting fits, sure you would make the fights more fair but you would also make them more boring, and with the creation and destruction model of EVE it doesn’t matter if your opponent uses way more expensive modules, since they can be destroyed, in the long run better piloting and better strategies will win both economically and tactically, during his streams Torvald Uruz has killed plenty of multi-billions fits fit ships that were worth 300-400 millions ISKs. That’s like the most basic aspect of EVE.
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Afterburners are not taken out of the table, just because Andy Virus told you AB should (again, should) not be used doesn’t mean that a team can’t win with one. Again, you are speaking out of sheer ignorance and blind faith in Andy (and because it fits what you say).
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There will be no PvE fits in those Proving grounds, those are Proving Grounds fits! A Warp Scrambler can be used to catch kiters in 2v2 Cruisers, so now those that makes the fit PvE or PvP? The answer is neither. It makes perfect sense if you are not too stubborn to accept it.
You two are just projecting your angst against that feature, it’s fine and will achieve its purpose which is short and available PvP.
In what way?
Whats the purpose in a PTW arena?
Why price out the majority of players immeadiately?
Incidently, Ive been told that this idea wont work for the opposite reasons in General Discussion so vOv.
The rewards from the arenas make them actually worth going there. As I heard on a stream, CCP plans to introduce mechanic to prevent abuse with alts, so that you may can dualbox in the same fleet, but never have an alt in team a and an alt in team b to increase chance of winning. In the old 1v1 arena this isnt a problem due to the pve part before that needs to be cleared and the fact that you cannot know if someone is already in. Dualboxing two cheap ships throught two different tier 3 sites is very hard
of course i do
Abbys is content We are talking about content here … NoT CCP … CCP is not content in game its a Commercial Company also as sometimes we use that abbr. stand up for team members of the DEV ect…
your entitlement has no limits…
As this is a very early stage of brain development:
little babys who cannot seperate its own existance as independent being from his mothers in very early stages of after birth … this reflects very very primitive stages of human thinking and reasoning style.
You think we cant talk about CCP same reason we cant talk about Abbys… same reason how did you find yourself entitled to talk about RVB… up to now ??? :)))
lol lol you are way Extremely INCOHERENT.
I had told i will tell again .
Please learn how to hold debate properely .
cant reach anywhere by this incoherent and entitled communication style…
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That’s because you talk nonsense - the reason you can’t do any better is because you don’t have anything worth saying.
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no :)) not because of that… he is feeding me with all i need …
as you can see in prior message of mine 
he is extremely incoherent and
making great mistakes while he thinks he is defending…
And by standing here keep damaging his cause more than anyone else
He is just messing up more and more. I do prepare kind of post for later on … and he is feeding me with the proofs
thank you
thank you. mainly for trying it before yelling.
Nice list of suggestions and comments.
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edit I have no idea why that quote stuck in there. removed. I liked the list and was lookign to see what that specifc fit would look like cross purposes… (old men should not even try to multitask)
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That isn’t the logical conclusion at all. I’m pointing out that Brisc_Rubal is making unfounded assertions about what highsec players wanted. Just saying “Players wanted x and so CCP changed y” doesn’t make it true.
Who’s yelling? There are substantive criticisms being made here.
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I have been reading this forum on and off without really activating myself. Mostly because EVE have been a home for me for over a decade and even if Im not a part of the ingame experience anymore… Its a bit emotional to read.
Feel like this is getting increasingly personal from all sides. From what I can see, this is in general some kind of generational shift. I remember when creative and dynamic pvp was accessible, when ppl were not as risk averse and when the structure of the game were not as inhibiting to this kind of pvp. Sure there were instanced pvp. There were tournaments and the like.
The difference was that FW plex-pvp were not the end all be all for the majority of pvpers. Something happened and I can see now that this kind of pvp have become the norm and lets be honest. This new pvp format is not far off. Just a few more essensial pvp mechanics taken out of the picture and there it is.
I can also see that the kind of pvp I remember was a bit harder to get into for the newbie but that was also part of it. It was a kind of rite of passage.
I accept this. Its the ding ding headshot mentality and its fun. I understand that. But its never as rewarding and that is a fact. For me, CCP sold their soul and it didnt happen 2020. I understand this to. Its a corporation and they learned from fortnite.
With that said, this is what will happen. For many, this kind of pvp is the only pvp they will engage in. Sponatious and unpredictable pvp will become even more scarce. Eventually ppl will feel like they are fighting the same fight for the xth time. The fact that ppl wont find a fight anymore will push them into arena and eventually they will quit the game.
No Im not a psychic but this is always what happends. There are plenty of examples of that.
Lowsec pvp will eventually die a final death, FW included. Who knows what happens after that.
Me? No I am not interested in small scale AT. Ive had enough of that. I want to use every inch of the possibilities that used to make EVE great. Thats how I want to remember it.
So I dont know if I should end this with a “it is what it is” or a “CCP, you can make some compromizes and put some resources into something that used to be great”. But I guess they made this commitment years ago. So “it is what it is” it is… I guess.
and I am reading all of them, yup
but some folks are wandering a bit off topic. and if you do not see some of the posts as yelling then you are more patient/tolerant than I.
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At least I do it while writing proper English.
By the way, thank you for the free Psychology session, too bad I don’t believe in it!.. Oh well, I get to have some basic Oedipian analysis thrown at me, well done, 
The reason I say you aren’t entitled to talk about the Abyss is that the same way I don’t directly know what are the definite plans of CCP, you obviously don’t know anything about Abyssal PvP.
So either you accept that we can talk about things that we are not directly involved with, the same way Brisc Rubal can talk about High-Sec PvP because he can think and he has heard feedback and experiences about it. Or you refuse him that right and then you are not entitled to speak about Abyssal PvP since you have no feedback and experiences about it!
Be logical.
FW is in dire need of a rework for almost half a decade now, it’s not Abyssal PvP that’s going to be the cause of that.
Low-Sec always had the existential problem of ‘why would anyone wan to go there when there is Null and WH’, again it is not Abyssal PvP that’s the cause of its current and coming situation.
At least you are approaching the correct analysis that the problem is not with this upcoming content, the problem is that the content it’s going to compete with has nothing to offer!
If anything Abyssal PvP should be a welcome sight because it will force both CCP and the players to think about what is needed to make open-world PvP more attractive!
There are tons to offer but steps have been taken in the past to make a transition. Like you said yourself. For half a decade… FW dont need to be fixed if that is the kind of pvp you want. So why are you saying that FW needs to be fixed when instanced pvp is what you are advocating for?
Theres another fact though. I was part an engaging, dynamic and on demand pvp experience for years. How this would be better than that, I have no idea. It was ding ding but also a challenge. What this is, is lazy and effortless. Sadly that is what works nowdays. Out with the old and in with the new. Players and all.
Actually I dont know if anyone remembers but this idea came up many years ago and ppl actually had a proper discussion about it on the forums. It was pretty much frowned upon with a hint of disgust. Its funny how things can flip. The arguments against it back then are the arguments for it right now. Like I said. Generational shift. CCP sent its old playerbase packing in favour of the new.
today
Some days Ago…
lol… yes yes
That one has nothing with oidipus … Lol you dont believe it… you know nothing but just pitching nonsense literature words :)) I bet thats the only word you know and u use it…Read and learn … Face palm … you still commenting around stuff you know nothing about … and using totall wrong terminlogy !
LANGUAGE SHAMING here??? Really ??? thats your lvl … i do use 3 different language in daily life and switching between then under minute … My written english may be not good … but doesnt have to be … this Thread english and people understand very clear what i am writing… and what i mean… thats important and enough !
You have zero idea what i know and what i am capable… Stop assuming.
Like you assumed im picking up from Andy Virus… i had dropped comments here in channel way before andy mentioned in that video When Andy begin to roam our stomping grounds and start solo PVP … i had been already vetted… and We did give many fights to each other … He is someone very intelligent and acknowledgeable and someone i can sit and talk about mechanics… And we do PVP pretty much same way… So he is one of them you described in in that first quote along with me … …
Again you have lot to learn … And bad habit talking about things you had zero idea… And i had confronted you so many times up to now…
you are damaging your own cause
Also i never say anything out of my knowledge and i did backed up and reason it … and your knowledge around PVP extremely limited that i dont know even where to hold it from …
Well he put his finger on right point… but he doesnt know how much incoherent you are… and lack of experience and understanding about PVP…
Yes, this sounds intriguing for those (supposedly) who currently can’t dedicate much time to eve and want to find some quick duels or fleet fights with some sorts of tiers/matchmaking so it’s not “noob vs veteran” hopeless slaughter (?).
Some of “us” here come from fighting games background though, in those games everyone have access to all stuff from start, but it’s tactic and skill (not “skill” like in rpg, i mean skill of player… both to pull off moves and knowledge & strategy)… But even in those games there are tiers between players, yeah. Hmmmm. On the other hand, both in fightings and oldschool arena fps there is a “rule”: you won’t progress much if you only fight those who are weaker than you.
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I appreciate it. I hope you will give the serious criticism due consideration.
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I do, It takes a bit of work but that is why I have a book next to me to take notes. Hard copy for me is always best.
Yeah, no. I can understand what you say (and if not I ask for clarification) I have nothing but admiration for polylingual in this modern era and wish I had more than a smattering of other languages. (Please, thank you, yes, no, how much, where is the washroom) You are doing fine.
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