PVE Ammar battleship fitting help

[Arami_Uitra]

I am doing ratting in Blood Raider space with my small fleet of alts. Currently I use main tank praxxis with T2 lasers - very pleasant experience compared to rockets, no reloads, no ammo, instant death to frigates etc. I can manage to control weapons and targets on my second toon/wingman also but thats max micromanagement for me, rest of alts use ishtars with drones only assigned at the beginning to the main tank.

What I am looking for is a fit or technically 2: one for main tank and second for my wingman since I have trained them to use ammar battleships and T2 lasers.

What I am looking for my main tank is:

• I warp to 30km so I need about 40km range for the lasers.
• I need to be able to tank all the rats for the duration of the whole site (sanctums/havens) on my main tank (paper ishtars just die if targeted:P)
• 1k- dps minimum from just lasers alone with conflag - I would like to be ablo to use just it, scorch only for something that got away. Drones dps is a bonus.
• it takes me usually 10-12min for a site so I need capacitor that can hold through (I wouldn’t like to wait between sites for cap recharge either)
• budget 500m-1b max - I don’t want to have gank target painted on me - otherwise I would use my paladin

For wingman - less tank - more dps.

I don’t really care if its a Abaddon or Apocalypse or some navy issue as long as it does the job.

I was looking at this bad boy but range might be to small and capacitor will be probably out after 3rd wave - I would like to minimize cap management - target management is enough work already

[Abaddon, Abaddon]

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

100MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Currently I am using this Praxis fit - its cap stable which is awesome and has enough range but dps leaves something to desire and as for tank - sometimes reps are not keeping up with the damage

[Praxis, Praxis]

Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Large Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
[Empty High slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II

Praetor II x5
Praetor II x4

Thanks for any help

[Alexandra_Martell]

Hi there. I used to run Blood Raider Havens with this fit.

[Armageddon, Osiris]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Dark Blood Thermal Armor Hardener
Damage Control II
Dark Blood EM Armor Hardener
Large Armor Repairer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Missile Guidance Computer II
Thukker Large Cap Battery

Cruise Missile Launcher II
Dark Blood Heavy Energy Nosferatu
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II
Cruise Missile Launcher II

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Hammerhead II x5
Praetor II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Curator II x5
Infiltrator II x5

Missile Precision Script x2
Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I x4921
Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile x4000
Optimal Range Script x2

With this fit, I would warp in at 10km, drop my MTU and align back to my station or safe spot. Engage the MJD and jump 100km away. From there I would drop my sentry drones and start targetting NPCs. Once agro was established I would turn on my missile launchers. Separate them into two groups and stagger their operation by a few seconds. Mjolnir auto targetting missiles will hit the closest thing attacking you, so you can focus on using your drones to pick off select targets. You can also switch to heavies. The Nos helps if your cap gets low and if you get an assault frigate trying to tackle you.

Once the site is completed, I will warp my alt in with a Noctis to loot & salvage at the MTU.

Hope this gives you a few ideas. Enjoy

[Arami_Uitra]

Thanks but I have 0 skill in cruise missiles

[Arami_Uitra]

Tell me, why is this a bad idea?

[Abaddon, Abaddon ]

Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer
EM Armor Hardener II
Thermal Armor Hardener II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Steel Plates II

Heavy ‘Brave’ Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Thukker Large Cap Battery
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II

Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2
Praetor II x2

[Arami_Uitra]

Ok so this is final best I could come up with - almost 1500dps for less than a bare Imperial Navy Armagedon hull and almost cap stable - the only issue is range

[Abaddon, ]

Large Armor Repairer II
Thermal Armor Hardener II
EM Armor Hardener II
Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

‘Augmented’ Hobgoblin x1
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Praetor II x2

Conflagration L x8
Scorch L x8
Mobile Tractor Unit x1-

[Alexandra_Martell]

Range and application are what you are looking for. The Abbadon is a nice ship, but it is meant for close range. To take the pressure of your tank, you need more range. I would suggest perhaps a Dominix with heavy/sentry drones. And train into cruise missiles, even just T1 launchers.

[Arami_Uitra]

Thanks for the ideas but still, I am trained in T2 lasers and Amarr BS I dont want to switch now into Dominix with Cruise

[zazzmatazz_Xu]

Look at where you can replace stuff with storyline mods, often the power and CPU savings does help greatly in getting longer cap times, cap is life, cap is king.