Quality of Life : Autopilot warp to 0

[Runa_Yamaguchi]

@Rixa_Pirata

I’m with you…sometimes a guy just needs to go take a dump. Might as well have the game do you a little favor and get your ship where it needs to go in the meantime.

Pay no attention to these gate camping morons. If they are any good at it, they can still catch you, autopilot warp to zero or not. They just want an easy target.

Please, please keep using AP…you are exactly the type of person that should use it…it was made for you.

[Jint_Hikaru]

You shouldnt be able to automate anything in game at the same level as an active player doing it.

Got to have some drawbacks for the convenience of automation.

[Knowledgeminer]

We wouldn’t have this problem now if CCP hadn’t recently reduced the landing distance to 10 Km… Clearly that sent the wrong message to some people…

[Brun_Warbear]

@Rixa_Pirata

Pay no attention to these gate camping morons. If they are any good at it, they can still catch you, autopilot warp to zero or not. They just want an easy target.

This supposed change doesn’t even effect gate camping so why would gate campers need to object to it?

The objections are clearly stated. You can ignore them if you want. But don’t try and dismiss this as gate campers protecting something because that’s laughably uneducated.

[Daichi_Yamato]

Put it back to 15km.

[Buoytender_Bob]

“Quality of Life”?
I’m not quite convinced that those who regularly use AP are truely living.
Just another gaming example of “…but Ma, I don’t want to do any chores”.

[Flashrain]

For those responses say the idea promotes a easier style of game play - yes, that is the goal. Though the precise diction chose was “lazy” with a metaphoric sneer. Easier is efficient.

For those denying elitism, yet their response are often one phrase replies instead of thought out responses. The action suit the word. Regardless of your claim to fame.

For those trying to use in game play time as some sort of measuring stick, I made 1000+ bookmarks of a quarter of null sec for BoB before the first titan was build. WTZ was already in game from our hard work. CCP just made it official because everyone having thousands of bookmarks are bad for their data tables.

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I moved the new player perspective to last since no one on this thread cared to respond to that point.

So I’ll look from the greed of personal benefit to yourself.
If you ever flown a battleship, or capital , or super capital or used a player station, you would benefit from this idea. Because for the more experienced players, no freighter pilot would complain for AP WTZ. And freighters are what help you build your big expensive ships and stations.

New player retention is less than a week, at best. When someone comes from work or school and can play only an hour two a night before sleep, you don’t want 30 minutes of it needing to warp to zero on gates, click by click.

Look at MMO’s like FFXIV, it launched with 3 hour travel times. Died within a month, even when they dropped it to 30 mins they had to relaunch a year later. The MMO successes offer teleport pads, jump boost, air drops, and a ton of options for getting from A-B quicker. This is what the MMO competition offers to players as standard game play. Eve Online needs an equivalent to stay in the game.

Even in null sec, nearly every players benefit from jump bridges, cyno beacons, titan bridges, and so on. BUT ONLY IN NULL SEC .

… maybe it’d be easier to adopt easier moving around if I start a thread on allowing cyno and jump bridges into empire hi sec. Even though that doesn’t benefit the newbros.

[Xeux]

I can use a needlejack filament to go wherever I want to go.

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

@Flashrain

For those responses say the idea promotes a easier style of game play - yes, that is the goal. Though the precise diction chose was “lazy” with a metaphoric sneer.

GET THE ■■■■ OUT

@Flashrain

For those denying elitism, yet their response are often one phrase replies instead of thought out responses. The action suit the word. Regardless of your claim to fame.

It’s when you say stuff like this that people take you less and less seriously every time you post crap to the forums.

@Flashrain

I moved the new player perspective to last since no one on this thread cared to respond to that point.

To new players: the knowledgeable and experienced among us will kindly educate you on how to play the game properly, and on why autopilot is inherently bad not just for those using it but also how it is unhealthy for the game itself, and how warp-to-0km poses a great detriment to the game experience.

Flashrain is like Peter Pan: lives in Neverland, has zero grasp of reality, and never wants to grow up. There is nothing good you can learn from her other than what not to become.

@Flashrain

If you ever flown a battleship, or capital , or super capital or used a player station, you would benefit from this idea.

Only the most ■■■■■■■ stupid/ignorant of players would autopilot a capital or blingy ship (eg. T2/Faction BS). There is enough stupidity in the game; it doesn’t need to be automated.

@Flashrain

no freighter pilot would complain for AP WTZ. And freighters are what help you build your big expensive ships and stations.

What part of “automation is bad for EVE” don’t you comprehend? If it’s such a big deal, then do it yourself. End of story. It’s called “playing the game”. And if you’re concerned about how boring it is, then multitask… do Project Discovery and help cure COVID-19 in doing so… manage your PI colonies… watch TV, read a book, do something other than introduce a detrimental feature to the game and complain because it doesn’t exist…

@Flashrain

New player retention is less than a week, at best.

False per numeric data provided by CCP.

@Flashrain

Eve Online needs an equivalent to stay in the game.

No it doesn’t. EVE never intended to be comparable to other MMOs. It is quite incomparable and there’s nothing wrong with that. We don’t need static instant teleportation. WHs and Needlejacks and Cynos and player-made gates are dandy.

@Flashrain

Even in null sec, nearly every players benefit from jump bridges, cyno beacons, titan bridges, and so on. BUT ONLY IN NULL SEC .

Good. If you want to benefit from the best the game has to offer, grow a pair and go to nullsec. Even low SP Alphas can thrive in nullsec. The only thing you need is knowledge and testicles.

@Flashrain

… maybe it’d be easier to adopt easier moving around if I start a thread on allowing cyno and jump bridges into empire hi sec.

This is an even worse idea for a wide variety of reasons. I’d explain them to you, but I cannot comprehend them for you.

[Xeux]

Think of the Newbros that buy their Molok in Basgerin and have to fly it clear out to D-W7F0. Warp-to-zero could mean the difference between them going to bed and still getting there before downtime or having to log back in and waste a second day in autopilot.

[Flashrain]

Not sure if you’re deliberately misreading or just plain misreading my last post.

I didn’t say autopilot capitals through gates. To clarify, I said AP WTZ freighters would let players move parts and minerals for building ships and stations faster.

[Xeux]

I am merely adding one more reason why we need autopilot warp-to-zero.

[Brun_Warbear]

@Archer_en_Tilavine

@Flashrain

For those denying elitism, yet their response are often one phrase replies instead of thought out responses. The action suit the word. Regardless of your claim to fame.

It’s when you say stuff like this that people take you less and less seriously every time you post crap to the forums.

Indeed. There are full explanations of why this suggestion is bad. The one phrase reply is this elitism dismissal.

[Brun_Warbear]

@Flashrain

I didn’t say autopilot capitals through gates. To clarify, I said AP WTZ freighters would let players move parts and minerals for building ships and stations faster.

No it wouldn’t.

No serious hauler is using autopilot. Haulers warp to zero. Serious haulers not only click to warp to every gate, but they’re ready to jump back to their lowsec drop system at the first sign of a cargo scan or a gate bump.

People hauling in freighters take exactly the same time as AP WTZ, because they already warp to zero.

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

@Brun_Warbear

No serious hauler is using autopilot.

this

The only competent ones who are AFKing are the ones that only use bulkheads AND are only carrying low value goods so as to be not-too-attractive of a target for suicide gankers. They’re still pretty on the killboard but it requires a lot of effort and coordination and manpower to take one down and it’s probably not worth it if it’s not juicy. So yeah, if you’re talking juicy freighters and/or freighters without bulkheads, only dumbasses would autopilot even with a WTZ.

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You would think Mike’s response would be the kiss of death for this thread, but apparently Flashrain is more knowledgeable and experienced than the multi-time just-re-elected well-renown Champion-for-the-Carebears CSM member

[Big_Country_Boy]

I’ve actually played both ways as a freighter jockey before, the only quality of life change that was needed was warp to zero for pilots, the jump button is great for long haul, cold systems, but any moron that blindly gate jumps through hot systems is done anyways. Really leave it as is, I love laughing at people getting ganked in high sec for not paying attention to where they were going or waiting a sec on the other side of a gate

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

gtfo of here with this AP WTZ sheet. Lazy bot aspirant fudgecicle.

[Vixen_Vix]

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[Little_Fawn]

@Flashrain

+1 like if you support this idea please.

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How about removing autopilot altogether? The main problem with it is that it misleads new players into thinking they can autopilot. And it misleads players like the OP into thinking Eve should automated for convenience, instead of being an interactive game where decisions have consequences.

[Archer_en_Tilavine]

Autopilot is good for gankers, though! Once ganked, it (hopefully) teaches newbies not to AFK in general, autopilot or otherwise

And I’m not going to lie, there are times when I autopilot provided the following criteria are met:

1. My ship is penny cheap (eg. shuttle)
2. My implants are penny cheap (usually non-existent on the current clone)
3. I don’t give a ■■■■ if I return from AFK to find myself respawned at my home station instead of at or still en route to my intended destination

And I do know some freighters who chance autopilot provided they’re bulkhead-fitted and are carrying low ISK/m3 goods - it’s not the worst thing in the world to do. If they’re willing to gank you with bulkheads and low ISK/m3 goods on autopilot, they’re probably willing to gank you with WTZ as well .