Why is more or less relevant ?
I am not an expert in site respawns, by any means. I was always under the impression that respawning was a universe-wide thing.
I have never even been sure whether the sites always respawn as āthemselves,ā or whether, for example, an Angel site can respawn on the other side of Eve as a Guristas site.
Certainly though, any site you clear could respawn in any appropriate region or constellation - they are obviously not contellation specific, since it is easy to deplete all the sites from a single constellation. If some guy is in the next region over running the same types of sites as you, it could respawn near you and be misinterpreted as being the site you, yourself just cleared.
I am no expert too, but from my own experiences I can tell you that I did noticed a tendency for the sites to not respawn or respawn very late , if you leave unfinished sites . This I have noticed in a TZ when I pretty much had almost an entire null region to myself . Not sure if now itās still that empty as it used to be , I havenāt done exploration recently in null . What I can do is give you a hint , itās somewhere very far in the southern part of the Eve map.
Iām not sure, but I would guess that if sites respawn universe-wide, the relic sites in heavily explored regions would rarely respawn and be very rare, as nearly every finished site would end up in other parts of the universe where people donāt explore that much.
My own experience tells otherwise: I see a lot of sites in my heavily explored region. My educated guess is therefore that sites respawn at least on a regional level, if not smaller.
Also, when I explore a long chain of systems one way and clean all sites, I often get a couple new freshly respawned relic sites on my way back. No idea if thatās due to my own exploration or someone elses (Iām rarely alone), but it is a nice bonus!
I used to think like you, but then I stopped. Main reason for it is that relic bots and many other players donāt care about it either. I live in a single constellation. I donāt run around whole regions. If I can leave behind festering corpses for these bots and ignorant players to make them take just a bit longer to get to other untouched relics, I am fine with cherry picking.
some people talk about bits doing relic sites, but personnally I do much explo in null and never saw someone which i suspected to be a bot hacking relic sites. I donāt even know how a program could correctly do the hacking minin game.
This would be the most interesting part to write a bot for. It would not be simple, but it will be possible, after all we humans solve it too following a set of rules that a bot could do too.
I abhor cherry pickers
This thread has convinced me that if I ever do exploration, I will absolutely cherry pick the sites. Maybe I will even drop a can labelled thusly: āThis site has been cherry picked by Xeux. XOXO.ā
I used to live in wh a lot, mostly scanning chains, rolling and so on, the idea was to look for relics or accidental content for fleet if present.
Well, overall you have a major chance to find a ācontentā, sooner or later, but I write this in regards to relic mechanics. Btw., I donāt remember when I found ratting rattlesnakes in WH, feels to me like something has faded
Currently relics are completely worthless in WH imho, I think they could have always been like that, but there was some purpose behind. When I sold my rattle and focused on isk from exploration I realised how it looks.
Imagine I used to spent whole nights in WH, approx 5-7h, scanning with my dedicated alt with 180+point probes then rolling if chain was weak. There were cycles where in that time I earned maybe 200mil?
Relics/datas are only the bonus to WH. You open new static, you go in, no conent, but oh, accidental 50-100mil from 1/2 sites. This kind of sites in WH are rare like hell, they are rare at all. I wonāt even mention guristas, they are almost absent, but they give best income.
There are usualy LOTS of signatures per wormhole, it means time factor, then youāll probably find 2-4 relics per 5-10 wormholes scanned? Mostly sanshas, blood raider crap, mostly 12mil sites up to 20. I did datas lv2-3 when going back chain, but I didnāt calculate if there was a point for it
To keep it simple, relics/datas are rare to WH in comparison to overall signature count. They are not time efficient because of understated income in opposal to null.
Hereās the note about null. Sometimes I go for a hike in null-space. In one hour I get 50mil up to 200-300 by scanning up to 10-20 signatures (depends of the length of the hike). I donāt waste time on scanning 10-20 sigs per system, there are only relics or datas and some combat.
I could be mistaken so if someone knows better, please correct me. But as far as I am aware, when you finish a site (finish all cans, donāt cherry-pick), a new site of the same type (relic / data sites) spawns within a few minutes somewhere within the same region at least one jump out (not in the system you just finished the site in).
That could very well be the case, as Iāve seen it happen. But Iām not sure if those respawning sites are a coincidence or actually a result of me clearing other sites.
They need to add some SKINs or BPO to the loot table for Data Sites, right now it all crap i used to do them all but now i cant be bothered to cause of the shitty loot with lots of weight.
Relic sites are fine, data sites are a waste of time and need some adjustment. At the moment youāre more likely to have a 5m ISK site than a 15m ISK site, so the risk/reward is way off. At the moment they donāt work as bait in our home systems, and they arenāt worth fighting over in others.
Ideally the reward for data and relic sites would be around the same variable as the relic sites, ie: I did 13 sites on Monday and dropped anywhere from 60m to 3m ISK. As long as thereās a possibility of the former, people will do them and weāll get more conflict.
Donāt care at all about empty or variable cans. All part of the lottery.
sites respawn in the same region you are in. If you close a site it respawns 30 seconds later. If you cherry pick it takes an hour to despawn before it reappears
Which means that if you plan on exploring in that same region in a part of that next hour, youāre shooting your own foot if you cherry pick sites.
I once was exploring behind a cherry picker. Cleared 4 worthless cherry picked sites, had enough and turned around back home the same route and found 3 freshly respawned sites. Thanks, I guess.
Finish your sites and youāll get more of them.
Someone may be watching waiting when you will have finished all the cansā¦
Looks like those days are gone for good
I agree. Relic and data sites are far too lucrative for zero risk involved especially when cloaky-nullified t3c exist. I suggest nerfs
Iāve been doing some exploration in the last two months . I tried some regions in nullsec and c1-c3 wormholes . I have seen a lot of explorers , but none of them in a t3 nullified cruiser , those birds are rare as it takes a lot more SP to invest for an exploration alt than the standard ~ 4 mil SP Astero , the majority just go for the Astero or a cov op frigate. Also the align time on those T3C is just terrible and if you jump into a properly done gate camp and have bad luck you can get decloaked , your survival chances are actually better in an Astero, as even if you are bubbled , being so small and nimble makes very hard to get decloaked .
Now the income is mostly random , itās all based on pure luck . I had a day when all I managed to get were 2 relic sansha sites (one of them had 2 million loot in it and the other 6 million loot -none of them cherry picked- sites that in the past used to easily give you above 50 mil ISK ) in a whole region , the rest were just data sites with loot anywhere between 2- 10 million ISK . With this kind of income you are better mining AFK in highsec .