Replacing the CSM with another model?

It’s not. That’s why we don’t do things that way. CCP’s internal data suggested that Merkelchen, the CEO of one of the largest nullsec new player corporations, and a senior leader in the largest alliance in nullsec, was a highsec player.

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Is that so? What a pity.

@Brisc_Rubal I disagree with everything you wrote in this entire thread. If you’re indicative of a SCM member then it’s no wonder CCP took you guys for useful idiots.

It’s unfortunate that mere disagreement is enough, in your mind, to label someone else an idiot.

Did you disagree with the facts I mentioned, as well as the opinion, too?

So what? You can’t stand when someone has a different opinion than you, can you, Mr. Highandmighty selft-proclaimed defender of reason :roll_eyes:
These are my parting words to you: Need to keep it short before I puke: ______ <— Hidden by the community.

I’m just trying to figure out what exactly you disagreed with.

I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing with me when I’m sharing an opinion. I do think it’s a bit odd when I spent most of this thread explaining how things actually work on the CSM to see disagreement from someone who has never been on it, but hey. We live in a post-factual world.

Anyway, I hope you have a nice evening.

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Gonna need you lot to relax, thanks. I’m not in the mood to start doling out warnings and such when you can agree to disagree.

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It is because you misspelled “accepted”:

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Oh, I’m sure there are a ton of typos in there. I’m super lazy tonight.

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The problem is of course that while people rage against it another part of the players will just happily consume it and buy the stuff.

Just like in Wargaming games: we can, and do, all rage about how despicable WG’s monetisation’s tactics are but in the end there’s a large group of players who aren’t raging and instead are buying it all. “Wargaming sucks man, this is so wrong” :buys another premium ■■■■■■■■ ship:.

So if those sales work then the company is effectively proven right because apparently “the players want it” and isn’t going to stop doing it. Compared to how much gets sold how big is the vocal group really? We will never know that because we can’t really tally up the yeas and nays and we certainly will never know how many people bought stuff that an unknown portion of us find to be despicable.

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In my perspective, this is a significant problem. I had a near-decade hiatus that began sometime between Crucible (late 2011) and Inferno (early 2012), returning in early 2021. That decade jolt is just one of my anecdotes. I have no hard data.

But CCP doesn’t get to pick their customers nor their mentality/mood.

CSM Fact Check

  1. The CSM are democratically elected by player base votes.

False, votes are counted by accounts not individual players. CSM = pay to win. (Strange the CSM are not complaining about that alongside p2w ships, hypocrites).

  1. The players choose the CSM.

False, CCP considers player choices then handpicks the CSM. Every year CCP refuses to work with several CSM candidates disqualifying them.

  1. The CSM is a worthwhile enterprise.

False, self evident.

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What’s up with this new ‘CSM is bad’- troll account?

yeah, wtf is up with that?
There ia no shame in holding the biggest pile of scrap metal on the database.

Yeah, its always great when someone comes to the forums and creates these long posts about how bad they think something is (usually because it affects their specific playstyle), and does not even provide a solution or suggestion for a replacement.

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Needs more Pugil Sticks

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Because the anti-CSM people need to make alts to make their opinion look more popular than it really is. The best part is many of the anti-CSM people are people who ran for CSM, lost, and now want it gone because they couldn’t get on it.

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Do you have some evidence of that, temp?

The only place I see first time posters (by the hundreds) is in the “Worship me, I’m Brisc” thread. The pro CSM thread. I can see an argument for one, maybe two alts in this one.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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Maybe that one alt that we were just talking about?

Or would you say that’s not an anti-CSM alt?

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