It is nothing of the kind. I don’t know what more we have to say to explain this to you, you seem unwilling to accept the experience of the people who actually have served over your personal views based on…? I mean, if you can point out an example of where the CSM isn’t being representative of the players and instead only using the role to “pvp by out of game political means” I’d be interested in hearing that perspective.
I don’t recall anybody on the CSM or elsewhere asking for asset safety - CCP put this in because they wanted to encourage the adoption of citadels when they first came out and feared no one would use them if their stuff could be completely lost. I assume that’s what you mean by “asset security.”
I also don’t get where you see the “CSM is a direct lobby to political blocs” because I don’t take orders from anybody. I guess you could argue that those CSM members who control a political bloc (there’s really only one on here now, although you can argue there may be two) may focus on things that impact their blocs, but I’ve seen both of those members argue against things that would help their groups at the expense of others and for things that would provide them zero appreciable benefit.
Yeah, they totally didn’t listen to us when they did what we asked and pulled this pack from circulation. Nope, they totally ignored us.
my only problem with this system there’s too much representation of one group the goons normally take about four or five seats I don’t hate them but I think there needs to be a limit
There are two Goons on the CSM: Merk, Nom. Brisc is in the Imperium, but not a Goon technically.
At present, Panfam has three members as well: Gobbins, Feld, and Vily. PAPI had 4 before PGL stepped down.
I’d love to see a wider set of representation. Faction warfare and wormhole space could definitely use some representation. But the issue is coming up with a system that gives wider representation that can’t be exploited to actually make the situation worse. Ranked voting gives people a better chance of getting someone who represents their interests…
And Brisc himself has said he wants to see wider representation, but the players have to make it happen.
fully agree with the above but would you find people within this area who would take the time and effort it clearly takes to be on the CSM and get those points across. i have always thought the CSM is too full of massive blob entities but those are the very people that drive the game and change entire regions be it good or bad and as such whether or you like it or not they have earned the right to make the CSM what it is and more than just a game for fun to them
CCP could put out a validatable (to prevent abuse, spam and skew as we see when CSM goes out voting spamming local) survey on whether people want the CSM or not and what they got from having it.
Eve is turning into a political podium in game as well as out of game. It’s slowly stopping being a game and more a politlcal narative.
And yet we have calls for badges for donators (see PLEX FOR GOOD Player Donation Awards ) and ingame virtious facemasks. It is MORE poltiical a narative than ever.
I fully support disbanding the CSM, many times have they demonstrated they are not “representative” nor of upstanding demeanor.
The notion of the CSM existing itself encourages “politics” rather than gaming. I would prefer that not be the case and not have a “political” entity of the CSM.
They can be replaced by a survey to the actual players if CCP want feedback.
nothing wrong with that IMO. all it does is give the ones who donated a trophy for donating (i get them all the time IRL for donations (ie blood pins etc)
thats not up to us. CCP have stated multiple times THEY want the CSM. its not up to the playerbase to have CSM. now, if the player base wants to get rid of CSM they can just opt out of voting for the next CSM.
We don’t join games to be bombarded with a political narrative. We play games as a distraction from real life and not stoke division.
As for the CSM, I certinally won’t support an institutional embodiment of bullying. They also spam local with their CSM crap every time it comes to voting.
Disband and dissolve the CSM.
Do we wait until the day the next CSM bully actually does get somebody to die in real life from their on stage antics? Seems nothing has changed and it’s just a matter of when.
I would rather fill in a survey and feedback on a ticketing system than give any support in any way to the CSM. I would rather withhold feedback than give it to the CSM. They don’t speak for me.
Just hire them directly and call it a PR / testing department, stop pretending it to be what it isn’t. That is what we call, deception and duplicious.
That may be why we play games, but that is not why big budget games get made. EVE [exorabilis veru exsanguis] has been subtly promoting vaccines for a long time.
The CSM votes are by account not players. If you want to claim you represent “players” that will have to change.
CCP just dismisses player votes on a whim disbarring CSM’s, la “your votes don’t count.”.
The CSM is all just part of the cess pit at this point, players true to the sandbox could not give a hoot. It is the same CCP pets or account herders that have made EVE a joke since BOB.
Here’s my two-cent worth: I think CSM should be disbanded. It was useful in the past to soothe the vets and make them feel like they have some control over the game but as it is clear now that CSM is powerless to influence CCP on behalf of players and even sometimes defends CCP’s bad choices, it is evident that it doesn’t and can no longer be looked at as mediator or even neutral.
Anyways, I personally think the idea of CSM is ridiculous and only serves as a dog-and-ponny show and also to give leverage to those corporations that have a member in the CSM… it’s hardly transparent and highly questionable.
