This makes zero sense. Who owns accounts? Players. That’s who we represent. Accounts or inanimate objects. We can’t represent them. We represent the players who own them. You might as well argue that because voting districts are determined by geography IRL, that elected officials don’t represent people, they represent houses or plots of land. Um, no.
There has been maybe one or two times in the entire history of the CSM when a player has been removed or disqualified from the CSM after voting has happened but before the CSM was seated. If this is a complaint about the Xtrasquishy situation (I fought hard for him internally, btw), no player votes were dismissed because he wasn’t allowed to run, so nobody voted for him.
Yep, we totally didn’t just get CCP to pull the prospector pack or anything. Totally powerless.
If CCP wants to get rid of the CSM, I will have zero issues with that decision. They do not, however, so there’s going to be one. I’m sorry that my liking a tiny subset of changes that you don’t like has made you hate the institution as a whole. Well, not really.
1 person, 1 vote is a key corner stone of most electoral systems. Having votes by account is a joke. If CCP or the CSM want representation they’d implement that, neither do so meh.
“Plots of land”, k.
Disbarring candidates prior to voting is just as bad, nice dictatorship you participate in.
You neglected to say temporarily. As in, “we totally didn’t just get CCP to temporarily pull the prospector pack”. So… you totally accomplished exactly sweet ■■■■ all.
Ever been to a shareholder meeting in a company? It’s not one person one vote there, either. Steering committee meeting in a legislative body? Not one person one vote there, either. Ever been in a weighted primary? Not one person one vote there, either. There are plenty of examples of situations where votes are weighted for a variety of factors in all kinds of elections. Doesn’t invalidate the election or the principles involved. Everybody knows the rules going in.
Same with determining the qualifications of candidates. In real life you’ve got to pay fees, get signatures, meet the other criteria (which can include residence, length of residence, age and other things) in order to get on the ballot.
Same thing here. There’s really no better way and a lot of worse ones for CCP to let players decide who represents them on the CSM.
I don’t have to say temporarily because I don’t know that. It’s been pulled. It will be a ‘temporary’ pull if it ever comes back. I can’t predict the future, and neither can you.
And yes, I could be more disingenuous. I could say you’re a good poster.
Right I agree, so calling it player elections is not valid. The CSM is more akin to the real life CCP in China or North Korea.
Firstly you need to be a CCP pet or member or you’ll be disbarred. Then rounds of voting occur and yet again if CCP don’t like a candidate there will be a further round of disbarring and then a weighted on Plex, or cash count will occur.
Thanking you for clarifying this, please refrain CCP from calling it a “player election.”.
Just refuse to participate in said “elections” and don’t give any information, feedback and assistance to the CSM. Treat them as the puppets they really are. Also consider blocking all their spammers at “election” time in local and their “appointed” CSM characters and don’t buy their contracts.
Making the CSM much like a political bloc’s tool, in this case null sec’s, having a mechanism for greater lobbying to CCP of their agenda over all others, especially those who wish to see a much broader game than currently has been developed.
A shareholder meeting has a clear bottom line, board taking actions, to create executive, that has the best chance for highest return of profits in line with the risk. The CSM doesn’t operate with such a clear direction, and never has. It is representative to the play style of null bears, and the mechanical and economic changes that most go in their favors and foster them having even more influence in game. That is vastly differing from a broader, more synergetic, style of game, a game not overrun with collectivism to the degree Eve has become.
I want to play a game, not join a player union where I have to ‘pay my dues’ for a 'good ‘ol boy club’ of player’s above me to benefit from. Sadly though, with the CSM as is now, CCP getting feedback of how much a detraction null bear blocs have become, just won’t happen.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. No rational person is going to accuse me of being a “CCP pet.” Trust me, they’ll be happy when I’m not on the CSM anymore. They didn’t disqualify me for running.
As for the way the rest of the election works, uh, no.
Please do this. This gives our nullsec bloc candidates a greater percentage of the voting and thus an easier chance at winning.
Again, you’re giving the average CSM member a lot of credit that they actually even have an “agenda.” Last time I checked, I’m one of the only ones who even bothers putting out a campaign platform.
No, it doesn’t. We represent the entire game, and there are plenty of non-“null bear” (what a bigoted phrase, by the way) representatives on the CSM, like Mike, Suitonia and Arsia.
Then play the game and ignore the CSM. Nobody is suggesting you have to pay attention or even bother voting.
Sadly, it is what they want. More F2P grind loops, while giving tepid resistance to actual P2W monetization and pearl clutching over other sacred cow monetization. They want to see mechanisms that drive PLEX purchases, at steady rates of inflation, that further create over reliance on null sec bloc play.
It never has, never will, at it is outright sophistry to say it has. And it is an accurate phrase. Its just that null sec can’t handle the reality that they have become everything, every last thing, they have labeled individualist who have to mitigate risk by being blocked off in high sec. Null sec blocs is for people who like denying the game to others, bottom line. Its done it by in game mechanics, and by CSM political blocs. ‘We aren’t here to ruin the game, just your game’, is as true their motive and vision as it has always been.
No one is, you’re right. Because that is more or less the current political objective. Stranglehold representation in the CSM to the degree that other players outside null sec blocs become hopelessly apathetic and stop engaging to just suffer the consequences of it in game. Or they quit and exit the game entirely. Either way, more F2P fodder will come through, to fill the ranks for a few weeks and months, till they quit. A cycle that has been winding down, and declining, to the point CCP is having to engage in the monetization experiments like the recent Retriever flare up.
Dear lord, what is wrong with you? Nobody is suggesting more F2P grind loops, we’ve been consistently against P2W monetization (unlike your hero) and we could give two shits about ‘mechanisms that drive plex purchases.’ How CCP monetizes the game is up to them, but we have told them where the players draw the line and that’s what we keep pushing when they get close to it.
No, it’s the difference between someone who has served and studied the CSM, and somebody who is just parroting talking points from people he’s heard who never have.
This is absurd, and that line is more than a decade old and no one says it anymore except people who are unable to accept that things in the past can change. Nobody wants to deny the game to anybody else, and that argument is just absurd.
Right, because it’s the CSM who is making people choose to quit the game.
Come on, dude. Seriously, just stop. You don’t understand much of what you’re talking about.
Whether you want to admit it or be in denial, yes, you are powerless and for a simple reason: CSM is only a group of players while CCP owns the game and will do what they need to do regardless of anyone not liking it because they’re a business first.
I think we should get rid of democracy IRL for many of the same reasons. It doesn’t accurately and fairly represent everybody. What should we replace it with?
