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Est.Price being off is a systemic issue that also affects Asset Safety. Particularly capital ships because they are not allowed in High Sec and thus not traded much.

I’m sure the availability of SKINR elements and number of systems in Amarr HS space are related to it as well somehow.

They’re trophy ships. And having never flown one, I can only go by what I read on Reddit- they have a very limited use in Null, Low, and WH. In WH, they’re used to plug holes- a hole opens- plug it with a capital ship. In Low and Null, they’re used in Fleet Warfare (or for ratting in the case of carriers sometimes). Titans are used to open Cynos (something I’ve personally witnessed: 2 Titans were used to open Cynos to move our fleet through Null to our destination. That was their only use that day- moving a fleet. I actually saw 3 Titans that day. I took screenshots of the third one. I missed the first two- I was too focused on not getting lost to think about taking pictures.)

But all that being said, it’s not surprising that caps wouldn’t be traded often. I did once see a YouTube stream where he came across a Titan at a gate camp- actually, the Titan WAS the gate camp. The streamer didn’t live long.

Huh ? Things don’t have a ‘real worth’ in EVE. I can sell my shiny new Vargur for 1 ISK if I want. I could also put it on the market for 287 Trillion ISK. There is absolutely nothing that says ‘ here is the correct value ‘. All that exists is the current local average, and that could sway wildly if there is low volume.

There is no ‘accurate’. Estimates are just that…estimates. And what is this ‘dependable’ nonsense ? Would you consider it ‘dependable’ if your local store sold the same cookies for $1.25 at 10am, $1.75 at 1pm, and $0.93 at 4pm ? ‘Dependable’ is when people can’t change the price every 5 minutes on a whim.

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Hammer….nail…and head. Though make sure its a Jita hammer and not an Amarr hammer, as the low volume of hammer sales in Amarr means the ‘real price’ varies wildly.

And that is why any market data shown ingame by CCP that is not in the market window in Jita/Amarr/whatever itself is absolutely and utterly pointless. It boggles my mind that CCP still after so many years refuses to let us chose which market these features should draw data from.

The prices are not unreliable, they are just plain rubbish.

Its not hard to understand that charging fees to create and update market orders leads to goofyness like for example items being in short supply or III-Grade ores being worth less than II-Grade.

And that is absolutely awesome. (If it is indeed caused by the reason you claiming to be).

As a occassional trader, this is the best nerf CCP ever did and it made the game much more healthy and interesting. The 0.1 ISK wars were absolute cancer.

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Sounds like good opportunities to make ISK to me!

Why does it sound like you want the market to be completely regulated with predetermined logical prices and without opportunities for players?

A free market is one of the foundations of this game. This means players are allowed to choose prices, to find opportunities and to make money however they want on the market. that includes allowing players to ask more ISK for ‘grade II’ than ‘grade III’ is sold for on the market.

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Charging fees for creating and updating market orders are negatively impacting the economy. But who cares.

how many times do you need to repeat this? you’re not gonna get answers you like..

why do you care about kernite and omber anyway? Majority of those two in particular is for mission runners.. unless you’re referring to having to buy it to pay off the missions?

simple math.. if you buy kernite to pay off the agent instead of mining, do you make more isk off the implant, or lose isk off the implant?

same with the omber… I tend to make MORE selling the implant than and make up for buying the kernite.

Charging a fee to create and update market orders is undermining the economy

source?

the solution is rather simple actually , quit relying on CCP to make a tool for you to make things easier . if you do not like the way they have it set up just go back to the way we used to have to do it … write it down on a piece of paper and crunch the numbers yourself . quit being lazy and expecting everything to be handed to you and actually work for it .

easy peasy , problem solved , have a good day

Something doesn’t become true just because you repeat it over and over ad nauseum.

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99% only?

Also:

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“even a broken clock is right twice a day” :thinking:

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“Even someone that is unreliable or imperfect can be right or successful occasionally “

You’re being kind.

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Is that FrostpackerGPT explaining the obvious? :thinking:

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Though in this case an important detail is missing: accidentally.

He isn’t right “twice a day” intentionally, on purpose or because what he writes is true, instead simply because the random nonsense he spouts accidentally aligns with the facts every now and them.

Similar to how monkeys pushing buttons on typewriters occasionally results in a coherent word or even sentence over long enough time, completely randomly, by accident.

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