[SERIOUS] How would you re-design Highsec if you could?

(Makavi Madeveda) #201

The creators of the game are long gone.

(Dom Arkaral) #202

Miner, calm down… lol

Wars are not griefing
Bumping with an objective is not griefing
PvP is not griefing

The amount of safebears is unreal

(Remiel Pollard) #203

And yours does?

(Nevyn Auscent) #204

Except for the exceptions where CCP have also indicated that war decs can pass into the griefing territory in certain circumstances. Take anything too far and it becomes griefing even if the base action is normally legit.

(Savoycabbage) #205

Where have these exceptions been stated? I’m genuinely interested.

(Makavi Madeveda) #206

About as much as yours.

(Dom Arkaral) #207

Which are?
Oh yes

There are none.
Everyone in a non-NPC corp is free game for whatever reason.

Stop trying to spread lies to people that know the system better than CCP themselves (lol)

(QuakeGod) #208

I’ve bumped miners for hours on end many, many times. They’ve reported me, or said they did anyway. Have I been banned or even reprimanded? Not one single time. Why? Because it’s not griefing. I had a clear objective when I started bumping them, which was to deny them access to the ice anomaly. I told them exactly what was going to happen if they didn’t leave. They thought I was bluffing, and found out otherwise…

(Jonah Gravenstein) #209

For future reference :stuck_out_tongue:

(Nevyn Auscent) #210

Go and read the harrassment rules. At the point they’ve made enough efforts to get away and you keep targeting someone any action can cross into griefing & harrassment.
Now sure, this is a lot more effort than most people put in before crying, but that doesn’t mean it can never be griefing. Trying to pretend it never can be just makes you look as if you do intend to grief people.

(QuakeGod) #211

If they make an effort to leave the area and you follow them, then yes, it is now harassment. However, if they stay in the area and keep begging for it, well, that’s on them. If I’ve punted you out of the same ice anomaly for the fifth time and you keep coming back, you don’t get to claim it as griefing. File that one under your own stupidity…

(Baaldor) #212

I would get rid of Hi-sec all together.

(Mephiztopheleze) #213

i would lower the sec status of all systems in the game by 0.1 every year for three years.

(Nevyn Auscent) #214

Totally in agreement on your example there.
I have complaints about how the system is designed but not that it’s possible to undertake things like punting people out of belts. I just want the mechanics around said punting to be a bit different (and probably to the punters advantage if their target really is a bot or afk).

(Dom Arkaral) #215

Quote it, or gtfo


(Chii'leck Hudson) #216

i do intend to grief people, within the limits set forth in the game

(Nevyn Auscent) #217

Considering those limits say zero griefing… you might have issues there.
Now sure ganking isn’t griefing unless taken to extremes etc. So gank away and have fun doing so. But yeah. Griefing isnt cool.

(z0rberg) #218

I’d remove most limitations and let nature run its course. Ya’ll know how that’s going to end.

(Dom Arkaral) #219

More QQ forum threads ofc lol

(z0rberg) #220

Literally all of 'em.