Welcome to Marcus vs Marcus.
So either a scanner being used on a target is actually doing something that is beyond just looking at it or it’s not entirely on which side of the coin you want to fall to support your argument.
They only respond to criminal. You’re on your own for suspicious actions (except cargo and ship scanners because we decided for some magical reason they’re exempt from flagging while positive and negative effects on other ships are TOTALLY flaggable) doesn’t follow.
And once again, I question your intelligence.
The Scanner scans the target ship. That’s why it’s able to see what you have for cargo. Your ship isn’t made of plexiglass b/c then EVERYBODY would be able to see your cargo. And scanning isn’t harmful in any form or fashion. The only thing affected is your delusion that you were entitled to privacy.
I will assume the other “positive and negative effects” you’re referring are things like Remote Reps. Which we’ve also discussed previously ^ up there somewhere. You aren’t getting in trouble for using Reps. You’re getting in trouble for assisting with someone who was already Flagged. If there is a Concord sanctioned duel between 2 pilots, and you start assisting one of them, you’re altering the duel. And since Concord gave them permission to fight, then you’re pissing off Concord by interfering. Which is why you get in trouble with them.
But you don’t get concorded. You get suspect. Which is what concord does when they dislike your actions but don’t wish to respond to it personally. Which cargo and ship scanning does but “because space magic” says we don’t classify using a device ON A TARGET suspicious except when we do because it has an effect which we dislike even when it’s not actually being used on a target as it is a person looting a container that isn’t free to take from even if it’s a thing they put inside the container in the first place.
We’re discarding logical reasons why it should be entirely based on you wanting it not to. Not because logic says otherwise.
And what of all those times when Concord flags a person b/c they’re carrying a ship full of Slaves or Small Arms… Oh wait, Concord doesn’t care. Only the local Factions care (sometimes), and you lose Faction Standing for the “offense”.
Concord isn’t going to care if you invaded someone’s privacy. But maybe you could convince people that the various Factions might. Which is why I suggested you stop fighting for Flags, and start fighting for Standing losses. The end result will be the same, since losing enough Standings will chase the Scanners out of the hubs. And in fact, it will work even better b/c they can’t rebuild Standings as fast as they can rebuild Sec Status or a new ship that gets Flagged and popped.
Concord isn’t flagging anyone for carrying cargo. Even when that cargo is enough explosive power to blow up Jita 4-4 undock. Concord flags for ACTIONS. We’ve gone to death over it doesn’t matter if it’s assisting for a positive effect or a negative effect. They flag for actions against other capsuleers. Except cargo and ship scanners which is where the logic falls apart.
Standings are not part of the discussion. Suspect is. You’re throwing a strawman in again.
lol, comparing to RL analogies.
EVE is not RL, the rules are different, the analogies fail.
What you call a Strawman, I call an offer of compromise.
Nobody but crybaby care bears are going to support the idea of Flagging someone for Scanning you before they open fire. Scanning doesn’t hurt you, the bullets do. And you already get Flagged for shooting.
We’ve already discussed that there are many modules you can use on another ship which do not Flag you, unless you’re also breaking some other game mechanic. Remote Reps do not Flag you every time, only if you’re interfering with a Duel or a War or something that Concord already recognizes.
But there is precedent for the Factions caring about smaller details that Concord overlooks. Which is why I suggested that, instead of posting 570 times for Flagging people, that you try getting Scanners to cause a Standings hit if used in High Sec. Even if it only applies when the Scanner is used in sight of a Station or a Gate, those are the most common locations the crybabies are worried about.
That way, Scanners continue to function the way they are. And for the most part, they won’t cause any change to “valid” tactics like a PvP battle or something. But… it will affect the cherry-picking Gankers sitting on Stations and Gates. And as I said, hurting Standings is more effective than Flagging or hurting Sec Status. Standings are a lot harder to rebuild.
I thought it was clear I was speaking in the context of the in game persona.
What country are you from that you believe vehicular burglary is not a crime? Depending on the damage you did breaking in it is either an aggravated misdemeanor or a felony. Let’s keep real life analagies out of in game mechanics. Especially for people who don’t know ■■■■ about real life.
INB4 someone doesn’t read the whole reply
Learn what you’re doing please. Getting tired of telling you it. This is why you resort to ad hominem.
Conformation that use of modules on other ships can get you flagged. Even if they’re beneficial. Always if they’re detrimental even if the effect does nothing. But not enough for you to consider something that has always been a targeted effect against a specific ship to have that reason.
And when we’re not talking about standings but suspect which doesn’t have any hit other than you might get shot at…
You switch the topic again.
Except nobody is breaking into your ship to see what you have inside. The scanner can look inside effortlessly. Just like someone walking past your car and looking through the windows. Only it’s using sophisticated futuristic science fiction sensors to do so. Because this is a fragging video game about spaceships in the future.
Remote reps do not get you Flagged, unless you’re breaking some other existing rule. Such as interfering with a Concord sanctioned duel or wardec. You’re lucky shooting a duelist with a firework doesn’t get you Concord’d too, since we all know that induced graphical lag and can mess with the fight just as much as ECM.
And yes, I’m switching the topic from Flagging to a Standing loss. Because one argument has been going for 580 posts and you’re never going to win. And the other is something I think you might be able to get implemented.
I can see you’re not listening.
I can see you’re resorting to the same Debate Team vocab lessons, b/c you don’t want to participate in the conversation as much as you want to show off how well versed you are in talking.
Is that why you drop to ad hominem as a default tactic? I could give you a list of when you have done it over and over and over in this thread alone if you’d like.
And I could start quoting all the times you act like a smug little pedant instead of contributing to the topic.
I’m providing you an opportunity to support a cause that might actually gain some traction. You think your “right to privacy” is something that should be upheld even in deep space with a bunch of self-employed mercenaries running around killing each other… I don’t think the intergalactic space cops are going to agree with you.
But the individual governments might support your claims, which would be reflected by Standings losses rather than Concord sanctioned Flags. You don’t automatically get permission to kill someone just b/c they looked at you. But you could say they aren’t reflecting the morals that some Factions might encourage, causing them to eventually be unwelcome in that Faction’s territory.
You can’t even go one post without ad hominmen.
And you can’t go without quoting the frelling dictionary.
“Mom… he said a naughty word.”
Are you serious? Talk about ad hominem. You’ve given up trying to discuss Scanners, and now you’re just arguing with me.
@CCP_Falcon indeed. Feel free to peruse this whole thread, and look at how many times @MinerArt here has been an instigator and antagonist rather than a participant.
He either follows thru or loses his respect.