That is cheap. That is in the price range of a mission or DED runner marauder or rattlesnake. neither of them will provide as much income and utility as a single medium structure.
If a group is that worried about losing one, then they can upgrade to an azbel to live out of instead which isn’t that expensive, but given they won’t ‘be losing it in perpetuity,’ then they should be able to afford it yeah?
Azbel is an objectively worse defensive platform than an Astrahus. with an even bigger ‘Kick Me’ sign attached to it
False.
True.
I am not sure why you are comparing it to a Marauder or a bling fit Rattlesnake for, it is completely irrelevant.
3.7bn is not an amount that most small groups can lose in perpetuity, it is not difficult to understand that.
An Azbel is actually the worst of the three standard large structures, if you are saying that is false you are dead wrong. Ah you are saying in comparison to a Astrahus, got it, I have not done the comparison myself but @Lauralite_Anne_Brezia knows her stuff.
Worse slot layout, worse capacitor, worse DPS. No bonus to combat oriented rigs…
Actually, here let me show you.
Current TQ numbers, mind.
astrahus is two launcher, three fighters, 4/4/3 slot layout
the azbel, two launcher, three fighters, 4/3/2 layout, worse capacitor only mitigated by having a worse slot layout. has about double the health of an astra, but that’s hardly an a reliable measure of defensibility.
for sake of clarity, these are just throw together fits meant to be as close to parity as I can be bothered to make on short notice, and completely ignoring the rig bonus issues for the time being.
but my point stands @MalcomReynolds_Serenity
If your only means of defense is structure guns on a medium structure, you aren’t saving it
wasn’t the point being made, Malcom. The point being made is that the azbel is objectively worse than the astrahus in terms of defensibility. Even accounting for a defense fleet of parity size between the two
… because they know ISD will just delete their “rant”.
Don’t like what someone is saying? Call it a rant and move on like nothing happened.
it doesn’t matter what the point is, the point was not even a little bit relevant.
If you want to buy a one dollar candy bar, but only have 50 cents, and then you get 25 cents more, you still can’t buy the candy bar. it doesn’t matter than 75 cents is better than 50 cents.
There are plenty of ways to express disapproval without venturing into territory the ISD will label ‘a rant’. Some of them are quite wordy, and even contain a fair bit of salt sprinkled in among those words.
Failing that, there are plenty of other outlets for those opinions that CCP devs do read, and where ISD has no power. Some of them (in accordance w/CCP’s requirements) will even give you ISK to vent your frustrations.
You’re a real piece of work, ya know that?
You started with an objectively false point about upgrading to an azbel to be in a better positon, then moved your goalposts when proven wrong.
also saving this for posterity, before you edit your original.
The only thing you are complaining about is the loss of a timer. an azbel fixes that and its cheap.
Look up the word ‘objectively.’ You don’t understand what it means.
objectively; adverb; denoting something not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.
Which, I have highlighted. It is, objectively a worse defensive platform under current mechanics, and the loss of a timer on an astrahus will not change that.
An objectively worse slot layout, more expensive, bigger core cost and incentive to kick it, and so on.
your emotions are the only thing at play here. No one defending a medium structure now is doing it for the protection of the structure resource or for tether. Anyone willing to defend one now, will defend one after the change. Anyone not willing to defend a medium structure can go to an azbel which will sufficiently deter most attacks on its own that they aren’t deterring already with their own defense.
Whatever they contain doesn’t matter to me. It’s a player expressing his frustration the best way he can while being submerged by emotions he can barely contain. Obviously someone who loves the game and is emotionally hurt to see all his time and efforts ( sometimes years of ) being squashed like a bug.
And what does he get in his time of temporary emotional need? Snide remarks, insults and mockery, then his posts are trashed by ISD, another way to say: “You’re just trash to us. We don’t care how much time and money you put into the game, we don’t give a sh- about you or your time. F- off outta here.”
And you think only a few forum members see that? The forum can be read be anybody out there, don’t neepd a EVE account to read the forum.
I’m sure that’s very appealing to potential players out there.
When a player reaches a point of no-return and only think about quitting the game, a few miserable isk aren’t gonna do anything, especially to a player who plays for fun and not to get isk-rich.
Just hide the posts that disturb CCP’s rosy glasses, right?
WOW… Just WOW.
This isn’t a forum, it’s a sales pitch.
Point is, that an Azbel is a way more attractive target, dropping a 3B core guaranteed and generating a MUCH higher killmail. So it renders the only way of defense for small corps (which is “being unseen, unimportant and unlucrative for the big guys to play with”) pretty much useless.
It also is a way higher investment for the small corp, nearly tripling the initial costs and even more the costs for rigs later on. Such a structure will therefore a) have a MUCH higher attraction to enemies and b) a WAY longer period to even pay off. Both combined is a drastic setback for smaller corps. For what goal exactly? To make the removal of M-structures a bit more convenient for larger alliances which are too lazy to prevent them from ninja-anchoring in their space in the first place?
I don’t think CCP’s actually allowed to put users on ignore, as it would impair moderation.
