Skill points as collateral for loans

(Ferrus Grolem) #1

Things like loans are basically impossible in EVE since collateral is pretty much impossible to handle with game mechanics in a way that won’t cause the lender to get left holding the bag in some capacity. Which is unfortunate, since with the really strong industry aspect of the game industry players could legitimately pay fairly solid interest fees and can often get cash flow crunched.

However, there is ONE thing in the game that is nearly impossible to destroy or transfer: skill points.

With extractors, skill points already can be turned into a commodity with an isk value. Furthermore, with the new clone mechanics skill points can’t be destroyed or transferred except via some very narrow set of mechanics (character sale, biomassing, extraction, and T3 cruiser destruction).

Add a loan mechanic with payment terms. Having a loan flags the character as being unable to extract skill points with normal extractors, be biomassed, or be transferred. Just remove the T3 subsystem skill loss mechanics as a failed gameplay system, or don’t allow those skill points to be counted in the collateral.

If the player with the loan doesn’t make their payment via the loan interface, the lender now has the option to remotely use a skill extractor on their character. Have an option where the lender can give up/reset their extraction rights until the player with the loan violates the loan terms again (i.e. you are late, initiate a transaction with me where you pay me what you owe plus a penalty we agree on in exchange for me revoking the extraction rights I’ve got on you due to you missing your payment).

Maybe even allow a two stage system of collateral. Like, if I violate my loan, you get these 5 ships and blueprints located in X station. If and only if those items are not present for the loan system to impound or sieze, then and only then do you gain the right to extract skill points.

(Arthur Aihaken) #2

No. Hell no.

(QuakeGod) #3

LOL, players actually need loans in a video game?

(Daichi Yamato) #4

Find an honorable third party to hold collateral. You know, talk to players…

(Erethond) #5

I like it! Don’t want to pay your loan? Fine, I’ll get that brain goo!
Presents massive syringe while laughing maniacally

You could easily just add the collateral to the minimum SP to use an extractor as a guarantee that the collateral can be honoured.

  1. Min SP to extract currently: 5.5M
  2. Take a loan worth ~500M with a 500k SP collateral (based roughly on injector-extractor value)
  3. You can now only use an extractor if you have more than 6M SP
  4. To compensate for T3 cruiser “scams” (max ~4M SP), remote extraction can be performed if you have 2M SP or more.

(Uriel the Flame) #6

Exotic Dancers addiction can be an expensive endeavor. :wink:

(Whitehound) #7


I laugh not because of OP or the idea, but because of how such a feature may open up a credit market, then turns into a credit bubble, and on bursting strips half of EVE of it’s skill points.

I’ll be selling loans for sure.

(Solstice Projekt) #8

The first line of a thread being completely wrong makes the whole thread kind of obsolete.

(Whitehound) #9

Is it though? We know EVE is a place of scams, betrayal and meta gaming among many other things. One can have loans between friends, but even then might a good friend decide to put one over you just for a laugh.

Having a mechanic, which allows for loans between strangers, isn’t such a bad idea.

Can it be abused? I’d say, let’s hope so! This is still EVE …

(Solstice Projekt) #10

Trusted third parties exist. You either loan ISK from actual friends, or from them. The OP seems to either be unaware that trusted third parties really exist, or he does not actually want to “play” or “talk” with others.

The idea is not bad per se, but the initial sentence is wrong. It is not “basically impossible”, it is actually pretty damn easy. All it takes is posting in Market Discussions, and people will find a way of making it work out.

This reminds me of some short story Chribba told, where he wanted to buy a super from someone and that someone demanded a trusted third party, not knowing who the hell Chribba was …

That was funny. :smile:

(Merin Ryskin) #11

They also don’t solve anything about the problem that if you have enough collateral to secure a loan you can just sell the collateral and bypass the loan mechanic, and if you don’t provide collateral equal to the value of the loan you can just take the ISK and run for a nice profit. Working through a third party to make the exchange might help with the “what if I don’t get my collateral back”, but in terms of collateral vs. scamming it just means that the loser in the loan scam will be the trusted third party instead of the original lender.

(system) #12

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