Skill Queue Removal

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Absolutely @xavier69 !

But in the case of CCP, it is indeed a disguised monetization in the form of aggressive taxation present at all levels of the game, with the sole objective of the rapid erosion/destruction of all the assets of the players; besides why would they make so much propaganda in favor of PvP, if this erosion/destruction did not serve their own interests via the sale of PLEXs? It is this whole mechanism, to say the least perverse and sneaky, that we must denounce as it undermines, on the one hand, all the original work of the designers/creators of New Eden as a persistent universe - a promise of persistence which is no longer really relevant today in view of the ongoing mismanagement and the perfectly understandable defections of veterans frustrated at having lost everything -, and on the other hand, all the hard work provided by the players to construction/production within New Eden which they believed to be indeed persistent.

Q. New Eden may well be a universe of Science Fiction, but it is nevertheless governed by the same ultra-liberal economic model which, IRL, constantly feeds on the erosion/destruction of the assets of the populations it despises; what good would wars be otherwise?

When I bought the game in 2003, I was part of a very small community of strategy players who, thanks to word of mouth, then naturally grew in view of this magnificent promise of persistence finally not kept today. by CCP; at that time we were among the first pioneers of New Eden, and each exchange initiated whatever the system where one could find oneself within the universe of New Eden always resulted in a growth of our ranks; today, any attempt at conversation leads to a fiasco in the face of alts who, like bots, will never answer you anyway, making New Eden a universe now emptied of its substance, namely: its players; on the way, where the control towers have passed; in August 2022, I am the ultimate survivor of this small group as I believe in the possibility of a salutary start from CCP which cannot remain eternally in such suicidal positions; my friends watching things from afar to the rhythm of our discussions among friends around a game of Eve CONQUESTS, each coming to follow the exchanges on this forum or on reddit, but without taking part; finally yes, I have a friend who occasionally intervenes on reddit where the debates are raging there too.

This is also why CCP should urgently:

1- or FINALLY become aware of the disastrous consequences of such a manipulative and misleading commercial strategy, and this in order to put an end to it while turning this iniquitous page in the history of EvE Online in favor of a new page rebuilt this this time on real solid bases like these, progression of skills included:

2- either do FI! of all our observations/complaints proving to be legitimate, to say the least, in view of the latest commercial events - inflation of +33% followed by false discounts - and this in order to prolong, despite ourselves, the writing of this most iniquitous page in history of EvE Online without measuring the extent of the consequences to come…

As we say back home, in France, the ball is now in their court. It’s up to them to see what they really want. But our little Vikings would be wrong to be so stubborn and to believe themselves above it all in view of the ongoing consequences, sometimes even dramatic, following so many errors accumulated despite the legitimate warnings of veterans.

The worst thing is that if it is indeed the lure of profit that drives them above all else, then in this case, what are they waiting for in the end to do things properly by concretely transforming these three distinct categories of players, namely as a reminder: a) MMO-RPG-RTS players of which I am a part, b) arena players fond of PLEXs and injectors, and c) investment players currently on the touch, into three sources of income managed from three separate servers?

It’s still crazy at the end of constantly having to explain everything to them! What are all these people paid for if they are so incapable of anticipating anything concerning what, in the end, could become the best possible future for New Eden?

Q. By the way, what good is this facade CSM for them, if it’s nothing, knowing that the CCL is only a very bad commercial propaganda tool proceeding only by stacking, which does not go unnoticed especially on this forum?

So. Try To Fly Safe Again. Or Not.

Save New Eden!

Ully Loom

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“Its easier to change the name and claim its a new system than try to code stuff. Aint no one got time for all them numbers and letters. No one alive remembers how they work anyway.”

  • Generic CCP Head
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hey guys and gals, new-ish player here saying that i think ccp is dumb for thinking i’m dumb and cant understand skill queues. Having a skill queue gives me a series of short term and long term goals, which i can re-prioritize if needed.
The vague proposed change isnt going to remove the skill queue, it’s just going to force me to make a list of skills I want to learn and in what order. Is it too hefty of a program within eve or something, so they want to push it off onto my notebook?
I’m not a huge fan of the years it will take to get the big toys, but it’s not like you’re taking those skills away and just giving them to everyone anyway. So we’ll still have to spend years to learn skills, its just that now we have to manually allocate them? or at least now being sometime soon-ish?
All this boils down to is a psychology trick to appease instant gratification, which is apparently the one thing this game is built to deny.

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They will also be reducing the time they accumulate by 75% of current omega rate.

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There was no skill queue when I started. There was also no skill point banking. As well, if you weren’t subbed, you weren’t getting SP.

I wouldn’t be averse to returning to that, to be honest.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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wen i started to play there was no ships
we just threw rocks at each other
and we ■■■■■■■ like it

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I think its a lot more than that. Once they remove training implant’s buying +5’s and putting them in an alt and training it and extracting it is not going to make a profit anymore so people won’t be able to abuse skill farms.

Also yes the change is more inline with instant gratification but in my opinion if we see that blue number raise all the time we will feel more natural using skill injectors and buying sp for real money as it will fill up that blue bar.

Right now buying the injector and injecting it and looking at that static blue number you know its not natural and you probably wasted money.

I think they are probably trying to eradicate that unnatural feeling. Maybe it is just me that feels this way.

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That means new players will hit the time wall and never be able to overcome it. That isn’t going to bring more players to eve.

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relax , since skill extractor was introduced i never earned a single SP
i don’t care about industry , mining , or capital ships and i can fly the ships i want to fly
SP is not that important because eve have a horizontal progression after some time
you cannot be more perfect than a perfect destroyer pilot for example
that way choosing what you like to do you can do it like a veteran in no time
the most important eve skill is real life skill

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sp is what allows for the horizontal progression. My skills at playing this game develop much faster than my skill queue allows for. Therefore I used skill injectors when I can so that I can jump into an activity I want to do.

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yes i understand
but like i said you cannot mine more than a perfect miner
or use small lasers more than a perfect 5 in small lasers
or explore more than a perfect explorer
if you stay in the game for a while you will have 2, 3 , 4 maxed activities
my point is that you don’t need to catch up with a 20 years player to be better than he is in your chosen activity
wen you fell comfortable doing something you can go to other thing for the sake of diversity
i can do / and did A LOT of things in the game and wen i show my SP some players think its not that much and yet i don’t fell any need for more SP to enjoy the game …

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I mean if you try hard enough you can just farm the isk and buy injector’s I had to start my char from scatch with 0 sp and 0isk and now my 6 month old char is almost at 30 mil sp. You can definitly catch up its just you have to try hard enough.

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111h of farm around.

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funny how someone pretending to be new seems to know so much to the point where they start to argue with older players.

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funny how someone that is new to this game can think and comprehend information given to them. Do you imagine these forums is the only place I gain information?
My first corporation was Ascendance Rising, which is full of experienced players that took me under their wing and taught me a lot. Now I am in Ascendance and have experienced the same. It’s amazing the amount of knowledge you can gain from talking to people on voice coms.
You can try all you want to pretend that I’m someones alt but that wont make it true. Do you imagine Ascendance doesn’t go through every bit of my gameplay to determine if I’m an alt or something? They even know what I look like irl. Not because they asked or required it, but because of conversation that lead to multiple people posting pictures of themselves. I have literally nothing to hide.
What you’re experiencing is a sense of entitlement for playing longer than I have, as if that somehow makes you smarter irl and more capable of learning. This is not that complex of a game after you get past the initial shock.

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Queen Gertrude

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Funny that indeed. Most important is: you’re playing and enjoy the game. I still haven’t decided if or when I’d like to join a corporation.

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I find it hard to wrap my head around that statement. By which I mean that “new” players spending more time in the forum than in New Eden would tend to show the opposite of what you two are declaring for yourselves.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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You’re assuming and it doesn’t look good. Before 2 days ago it had been 2 weeks since I was on these forums. You guys will do all sorts of mental backflips to try and say new players arent allowed to learn or talk to you elites on these forums. How sad.

https://imgur.com/sgzC6sb

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We already manually allocate them by the act of moving skills to the top of the queue. And a person can be half way through training one skill and move a different one to the top. I can’t imagine a system that’s going to be better than that…I suspect almost any change they make is going to be worse. And all this just to appease the 1% of noobs who struggle with dragging and dropping a skill in the queue.

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That’s what I’m saying. Removing the queue means you have to allocate skill points to an entire level of skill at a time, unless you have less than the skill level requires. That means if you want to get a skill immediately you wont be able to since you cant just throw it to the front of the line.