So wether gankers target bots or not, knowing that one can be ganked should make miners more likely to remain at their keyboard. If you remove ganking ALL miners will AFK mine since there’s no reason to ever be at your keyboard. It’s not exactly engaging gameplay.
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Highsec mining isn’t a way to plex an account.
You sure you play in High-sec? Because it most certainly is a way to plex an account, but as ore/ice gets cheaper it makes it harder and harder to do so.
I think you are arguing in bad faith given your responses. If you sincerely think risk free pve is good for the game and the games economy, its clear nothing will convince you that you are wrong, and you most certainly are wrong.
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I’ve had pvp in null, low and wh, high security was always the best and in many ways the hardest. I know these days its changed to station bashing but hopefully it will change.
We Have some plans to change this and use a very little use game function. Just to see how it pans out, I will keep you posted.
People arguing in good faith don’t hide their ‘main’ behind a do-nothing alt.
Ie: Defi, xx, Lucas, JJ, Dracvlad, etc.
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Can we please go back to discussing putting BLACKFLAG. in its place? Does every thread in this forum need to devolve into a debate about ganking?
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Small rocks make sure miners remain at their keyboard. I really don’t understand why you guys get so irate that someone might look away from their screen for a few minutes. And it’s not like it’s isolated. Lots of mechanics allow much longer periods AFK.
@Wesley_Baird
If you are mining in highsec to plex an account then you don’t know how to play EVE. You could mine more safely in null and plex in a fraction of the time or do any number of higher income high sec activities.
Ganking isn’t the only risk, but it is the most pointless one.
That’s probably because you’ve been in a nullsec alliance so long that you’ve forgotten most corps start in highsec…generally trying to attract noob players who have not already been sucked in by the huge nullsec alliances. This in turn forms the basis of highsec wardecs, citadel bashing, and so on. Obviously the end goal being to move to lowsec and null when powerful enough. Activities such as ganking ( or being ganked ) are thus most noobs introduction to any form of PvP at all.
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They are probably some of the most skilled players in the game, arriving in Leshaks and Ikitursas, etc. Unless you can match that, you haven’t a hope in hell.
My obsession with people being at their keyboard is if they are engaged in the game they are playing they are less likely to quit. Despite popular opinion I want people to stay subbed and enjoy this game. Afk mining is not enjoyable!
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That’s what got me hooked long long ago when the universe was still young, the year 23343.
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I love when you slip up and talk about stuff you shouldn’t since you’re a “nub” 
You weren’t even playing when “bulk wars” were around. Or were you?
Or peeps using ORE stuff
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Yes
There are always ways to fight the big guys if you are determined enough. Like you said matching them like for like would be hard.
Sorry for drifting off topic, I forget where I am some times.
And serenity isnt available to the whole world either.
So why bring it up?
Yeah, that comes with age, you been white knighting too long.
Will give you a hint though, you do like the Forge.
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People are at their keyboard. They may also be doing other things like watching netflix but that’s true regardless of what activity they are enjoying in the game. I watch netflix while running faction warfare sites, mostly just orbiting a beacon without needing to touch any controls. You may not enjoy mining, other people do, just like you may not enjoy faction warfare sites but I do.
If someone is mining in a barge or exhumer, then they have to have an omega sub too. If they need to split focus but still want to do something in game then a bit of light mining on the side is a good thing. What you want is to make mining take 100% focus, which means casual players like that will just unsub, so forgive me if I don’t believe your claim that what you want is more subs.
@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras
I didn’t bring up Serenity, Aiko did. She then went back and changed her posts to talk about Singularity instead which makes even less sense as singularity isn’t a production server.
This needs to change.
Maybe so, but that’s most of the game. The game is riddled with activities that require little input. Shooting a structure and defending a structure for example, unless someone else is actively fighting it’s mainly just waiting. I think it’s unreasonable to pick out mining as if it’s unique in requiring only periodic input as people commonly do.
Real miners love ganking in hi-sec. Because it keeps ore prices high. And they are active enough to avoid being ganked. The people who hate it are almost always AFK.
The second you see a catalyst on sensors, or a coercer, you warp off.
You do this by using D-Scan and making sure you’re in a position to quickly align and warp out. A base coveter aligns in 8.5 seconds from a 0 start. If someone appears on grid, you’ll be in warp before they’re in point range.
If high-sec was safer for AFK play, ISK would devalue and you would be earning less ISK/hr… so now you’ve ruined the market and your ROI on a mining ship.
The people getting salty about losing their ship, in a belt, to 2-3 destroyers are full AFK. And probably use plex to buy their stuff - because unless you Plex for ISK, the last thing you want is for your main source of income to be more easily accessible to the masses, because it crashes your market.
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Can you show any evidence on how much ganking impacts ore prices? I’d have thought what “real miners” don’t want is large fleets of miners being controlled by one person, and gankers rarely if ever go after players like that. While you’re warping off the big fleet continues to suck up ore.
Why would you want to mine in highsec using all the same techniques you would use in nullsec? If you’re going to sit there to full attention spamming d-scan and running away from every threat, then mine in nullsec and earn much more.
AFK play is part of most mechanics in EVE to one degree or another. You can’t mine “full AFK” that’s called “sitting in a belt with your lasers off”.