Javelins give more range, so if youre kiting with hams and using javelin, youd have 38km range. Where the application bonus on the DNI helps those apply better (same application as precision heavies, about the same range too).
Of course youd know what he was talking about if you actually flew drakes with HAMs or had any clue as to what you were talking about.
I like to build off application bonuses, makes missiles apply much better. It also compensates against things like halo/snake/xinstinct. Also, that extra rigor is very useful against inties.
Oh that. Okay I can see your point. I bet you find those more in lowsec than nullsec.
By the way and yes know itās off topic but do you use party ācrashersā?
so do the drakesā¦ i thought you flew these
i forgot the only stat that mattered when deciding ships was dps silly me.
@elitatwo sry you need to stop using that scorp you see my kb says i donāt fly them so i have no idea what iām talking about.
oh and here i thought the rigor was an application rig silly me
so do the drakesā¦ i thought you flew these
āHighsā. Meaning plural of high, more than 1. Easier to fit 2 links when you have 2 available highs, rather than 1. Kindergarten math and grammar is hard.
forgot the only stat that mattered when deciding ships was dps silly me
Silly for me that id think youd actually give a response of how/why you use them, instead of deflection.
I see you lost yourself in your own argument again. Iāll give you some more time to see if you can pull your thoughts together.
sry you need to stop using that scorp you see my kb says i donāt fly them so i have no idea what iām talking about.
When the shoe fitsā¦
Its easier to take you seriously when you back up your claims with experience by showing fits, losses, wins or some form of proof that youre not just EFT warrioring. Cause RLML drakes are not some unique meta that makes you the basis of knowledge for drakes, youd get laughed out of any competent small gang, or die hilariously when solo. But keep on being an elite HS station camper with your 1400 nado and telling me how RLML drakes are the only way to fit them for application.
damn now youāre giving up a rig for application and an extra link?
idk work pretty well in a small gang of RR drakes
there arenāt many ships that use RLML solo you couldnāt say this about
not to mention you talk about better ships for situations and the drake is about the worst BC for solo
ā¦ Iā¦ i have 4 kills like that all from yesterday. i think you put to much weight into the KB of a forum alt
please only scrubs use EFT pyfa for life. besides the paper stats of a RLML are ā ā ā ā practice is about the only time you can see its merits.
i donāt care what you claim you are not Appling your dps even with a rigor and faction web to a frig. you are doing maybe 180dps to one of the fatter AB frigs
Orthrus, scyfi, nosprey, bellicose, caracal, cerb, loki/tengu. So not all = not many, got it.
The fact you think its the worst for solo proves its one of the best. Easy to get fights in and applies all its damage to everything that gets in scram range, plus a med neut to kill active tanks/props on frigs/t3ds. Its kinetic lock works against the current meta, which is pretty much all t2 minny and deals with most t1 resist ships no problem. If you only put a web and scram on your drake, youre going to have a bad time.
You know frigs also use mwds too right? Where web+sig bloom and HM = dead frigate. I dont need to worry about an AB frig, he wont catch my HM fits. My HAM fits would and have killed any AB frigate that gets close.
Oh, well then that explains all our conversations. You just hide behind an alt making rediculous claims that you never have to back up with evidence.
ā¦ none of those ships fare well solo going up against cruisers or larger
i was talking about the HAM application were you trying to defend HM application 0.o?
unless you are in null most frigs that would be in web range are ab fit any mwd frig that got into web range died because the pilot was an idiot.
Figured this might fit here.
Letās seeā¦
CCP ship classes go something like this if Iām not mistaken.
Corvette
Frigate
Destroyer
Cruiser
Battlecruiser
Battleship
Caps
Aircraft carrier AKA Carriers
Dreadnoughts? 
Force Auxiliaries
Super Caps
Supercarriers
Titansā¦
IRL
I think a list would go something more like.
Sloop-of-war/Patrol boat/Fast attack craft = Lesser ships than the CCP Corvette at present.
Corvette
Frigate - Which is used for quite a few types of ships actually.
Destroyer
Destroyer tender
Auxiliary ship - Frigate designation
Protected cruiser
Armored cruiser
Auxiliary ship - Frigate designation
Yes again for tending larger ships.
Battlecruiser
In no way should a Battleship be faster than a Battlecruiser.
Pre-dreadnought battleship
Dreadnought - Witch is still a Battleship mind you.
((Caps))
Escort carrier
Dreadnought - ((Re-classify as something else)) Siege engine or Bomb vessel)
Force Auxiliaries
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Force_Auxiliaries
Then we start on the Super caps.
Supercarriers AKA: Fleet carrier
Titans
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Titans
With a larger and more sensible line up of vessels, Combined with more number room.
This should allow ships to be balanced properly and more properly fit into there proper places.
The links are to show IRL classes of ships that exist or did exist and could therefore be integrated into the game without much confusion.
If you buff certain ships, they are cancer, if you nerf them in any way they suck and no one wants to play them and CCP has a serious problem balancing ANYTHING.
So lets simplify things. 
You wont even have to rename everything and change all the classes, just a few and add a few more.
This along with increasing the numbers involved may make balance more possible.
Say x2 or x4 damage, armor, shields, hull across the board on all ships.
So by multiplying everything by 4, that will make anything OP stand out more and anything under powered glaringly so, simplifying the balance location issue, identification process and make addressing the issue simpler.
If I recall correctly, larger numbers are easier to work with than smaller numbers and decimals.
Allowing for flat rounded numbers to be used in place of decimals and still leave room for balancing changes.
I could be wrong though.
100 x 4 = 400
Translates
10.5 x 4 = 42
Decimals could still be used, but would be less necessary.
This would allow for more room to evaluate ships balance and give ships there specializations without making everything nearly the same or way OP or way under powered.
I personally think CCP is trying to cram balance into numbers that are too small for the variations of ships in this game and the answer may be a combination of increasing the numbers to work with and the number of ship classes to streamline the game.
Having a few ships fulfill too many rolls means that they can do everything, if they can do everything it makes it harder to limit what they are intended to do.
People will always use ships outside there intended purpose, but chop into there multi roll capability and have designated multi roll ships and specialized ships before adding T2, etc and you have balance.
Add T2+ for higher quality ships of a class instead of T2+ for the specialized class and balance becomes easier, while giving T2+ ships there meta bonus, etc.
Then use IRL naming classifications and use T2 variants of the IRL variants to give more depth and strategic value. Higher quality ships (T2) = Better ships. Simple.
Orthrus doesnt fair well against cruisers? What game are you playing? You realize its potential clip damage is enough to erase nearly any t1 cruiser and most active tanked cruisers as well right? Some tankier or high buffer fit ships, sure, cant do it in one magazine, but it has superior range control over most everything thanks to long scrams, so it can take its time if needed.
Yes, encounters exist outside lowsec, dont be so narrow minded. Even against an AB frig, my HAM drake will cripple it and apply well over 180dps. ABs dont work well when theyre double webbed and dont have cap.
My HML DNI will kill frigs with an MWD under web due to sig bloom. So in either scenario it will outperform a RLML drake. As you elaborated some on your fit (using RR), no, my drake would not be good for RR, what its good at is killing ships in scram range and leaving a cloud of dead frigates and cruisers behind it (or get overwhelmed by a blob, but such is life when solo).
There is nothing wrong with solo drakes, if they dont suit you, thats fine. But touting the RLML fit as the only way to get application out of them and claiming its the best way to fit them is dumb.
yeah the balanced legion is super balanced
and no the only scenario it out preforms a rlml drake is when the idiot is mwding after it some how let itself get double webbed by one of the slowest BC
Gotta be in scram range to scram. How else do you propose tackling something with a frigate that isnt scram bonused? Hurt their feelings in local so they dont just simply warp away?
My drake uses a scram, so their mwd is off, no sig bloom. Try again on rationalizing your error.
Also, MJDs are a thing, so long pointing wont tackle a bc/bs that has one. This forces the person im facing into scram range to scram me. Otherwise ill leave and continue harassing them.
Something, something, drake cant apply to AB frigates Dead AB frigate
RLML definitely best option, no other choices available
A good chunk of my KB is full of frig kills using a drake. I have videos using that same drake to farm frigate kills. You can deny it all you want, the HAM drake i use can and will apply well over 180dps to frigates.
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Try to read the whole post before you respond, i know reading comprehension is hard, but we can get through this.
Its your own fault for not specifying which fit specifically you were talking about. My HML fit doesnt have dual webs, only HAM fit. I know you love being vague as it muddyās the water and makes it easier for you derail things when facts get in the way, but being specific is good when you want to try to disprove something when multiple fits/scenarios exist.
Side Note: Looking at damage graphs at a worst case scenario (AB dram), an RLML fit under 1 web applies 213 dps (122 dps w/o web), my HAM fit applies 200dps. If i add crash, then iām going up to 252 applied. Tbh though, its not really worth using crash, the medium neut on my fit will turn off his AB in short order and then iām applying 300dps before crash. Which is exactly the dps youād be applying with an RLML fit at max application. So want to tell me again how inferior HAMs are to RLML?
Have you ever tried fighting a Garmur with a distruptor and a scram fitted? they still can scram up to 20km making the dramiel useless, so I still think that the Garmur needs at least a small nerf similar to the Orthrus
And why do you think that the Zealot doesnāt need a dronebay? To be an easy target for frigs? Then you should ask yourself why CCP added drones to the Eagle?
so that it wasnāt 100% out classed by the onyx and is now has at least a small chance of running away with ECs?
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