T2 Battleships

Hello EVE Pundits,

It seems like some of the battleships dont have a T2 variant, maybe there is no niche to fill for the remaining hulls.

But i think it would be interesting with a recon battleship. For example a T2 version of the Hyperion that cant be detected by directional scanner.

You aren’t exactly going to be sneaking up on anyone in a battleship with a horrendous lock time…

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Several ships don’t have a T2 variant, simply because there is no role for them to fill that isn’t already filled by another ship.

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It would be nice with a battleship that dont show up on dscan assuming it doesent get completely nerfed

wow. a not completely insane Bakster suggestion.
the d-scan immunity is close to insane, but not quite there. almost anything they’re landing on, or that’s landing on them, will have enough time to warp off before the battleship can lock it, so they’d still need some form of tackle.
the exception being inside an ESS. taking the gate and finding a handful of d-scan immune Hyperions on grid would certainly be a nasty surprise.
colour me surprised.

And there you have its name figured out: The Surprise(d) Electric Rodent class T2 battleship. :wink:

:smirking_face:

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Dscan immunity already is a role filled by Combat Recon cruisers.

While I am not against a third type of specialised T2 battleships to make use of the hulls that have no T2 option yet, I would rather like to see a new gimmick that sets those ships apart from the rest of the ships in EVE.

Both Marauders and Black Ops ships are unique with their roles.

From a mechanics perspective it would be underwhelmingly boring to just copy an existing bonus for the third.

And from a balance perspective I don’t think it’s healthy either to make a set of powerful battleships that is immune to dscan. Dscan-immune ships are currently a rare exception and by design on ewar cruiser hulls not very strong in 1v1 combat. I don’t think it would be good for the game if battleships could hide at 0 in an ESS, or worse, a fleet of them.

To conclude, I would love to see a set of new T2 battleships with a unique specialisation.

I just don’t think copying an existing specialisation is a good idea. Maybe another niche?

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Renew an old concept by introducing an official class of mining battleships? :thinking:

:innocent:

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It’s called a Skiff…

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I think we’ll see ORE battleship-sized ships before those return. :wink:

Not just when it comes to tank but actual bonuses for not just mining, maybe tank too but importantly to (battleship) weapons too.

As with any other ship, pick a role. If you try to do both, you will suck at both.

That’s the point though, but if someone wants this specific combo they can have it with its balanced advantages and draw backs.

They need some skill bonuses and name and all that stuff. But what would be fair. And what could a good name be.

T2 Recon Hyperion

Gallente Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount

Recon Ships bonuses (per skill level):
bonus to ??
bonus to ??

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Shield Extender hitpoints
50% bonus to Armor Plate hitpoints
5% Additional bonus to Reinforced Bulkhead hitpoints
• Cannot be detected by directional scanners

Why not come up with a new role? A different role that does not involve dscan immunity?

Recon cruisers already have that. Let’s give these T2 battleships something new.

As a start an EWAR theme for T2 battleships is not a bad idea.

What kind of new role would fit an EWAR battleship?

  • Marauders have a unique siege-like bastion module for massive damage and tank capabilities.
  • Black Ops have a covert jump drive and module to enable covops fleets to function

How about these EWAR battleships not only get good EWAR bonuses but also a new siege-like module that massively increases targeting and EWAR range (and pins the ship in place while active)?

I think it could be fun and effective to damp or jam someone from 200km away.

While that could be oppressive in many situations, the fact that it’s coming from a big slow battleship pinned in place by it’s EWAR-boosting module gives it clear weaknesses as well.

Would this be fun, balanced and unique enough for a new T2 battleship?

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Adding more EWAR battleships might make EWAR frigates and cruisers obsolete

Imo T2 Hyperion should get 5% agility and warp acceleration speed bonus per recon level, and this would be a theme for the other factions recon battleships as well.

But still need one more bonus for the recon skill level.


T2 Recon Hyperion

Gallente Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer amount

Recon Ships bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to ship agility and warp acceleration
bonus to ??

Role Bonus:
100% bonus to Shield Extender hitpoints
50% bonus to Armor Plate hitpoints
5% Additional bonus to Reinforced Bulkhead hitpoints
• Cannot be detected by directional scanners

More than 70% of respondents consider themselves a solo player in EVE and a battleship that cannot be detected on direction scan would be right up their alley.

But there seems to be a simpler option than a new line of T2 Battleships. Add directional scan immunity to the Nestor and nothing else

I do not think more ships should gain dscan immunity.

Dscan is a crucial tool for intelligence and survival in EVE and the few recon cruisers that can avoid it should be rare and special.

I do not think it is a good idea for such a bonus to become more common and especially not on a big combat platform like battleships.

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Any ship that is undetectable is up anyone’s alley, just like invulnerable ships or any other form of overpowered bonuses.

Just because some bonus would be good for some players does not mean it is good for the balance of the game. In this case it’s the opposite.

Dscan immunity is not a good role to add to battleships.

Nevertheless I like the idea of T2 battleships with a new unique role. Let’s go back to that?

If you are going to be fighting a fleet of battleships you are going to know via spys etc. so directional scan immunity is not a game changer. Recon Battleships would likely also be inferior in most fleet doctrines compared to other battleships.

Where directional scan immune battleships should shine is for the solo player or small gangs for obvious reasons. I dont see anything wrong with that.