Can we talk about the uselessness of the current version of the proteus? It’s just impossible to fit it for higher dps numbers with the drone subsystem on it.
The offensive subsystems are the least of the Proteus’s issues. Take a look at its Propulsion subsystems and then compare them to the Propulsion subsystems of all the other T3Cs.
The Tengu, Legion, and Loki all have the same basic bonuses on their Propulsion systems.
Interdiction Nullification with bonus to warp speed velocity and acceleration; reduced capacitor need for warp initiation
Wake Limiter/Fuel Catalyst giving bonus to AB velocity and reduction in MWD sig radius penalty
Nanofibers/Chassis Optimization giving bonus to agility and velocity
When we move over to the Proteus, we get the following bonuses
Interdiction nullifer works the same
Injectors give a reduction to AB and MWD cap consumption; also a bonus to the benefits of overheating same modules
Hyperspatial gives bonus to ship agility; bonus to warp velocity and acceleration
Notice how the bottom two entries are vastly different than the ones for the Legion, Tengu, and Loki? Specifically look at the 2nd and 3rd entries in each grouping. The Proteus doesn’t get a velocity increase unless you’re overheating. And its the second slowest of the 4 T3Cs; only the Tengu (a shield ship) being slower.
I’ll admit the Offensive subsystems could use some work on the Proteus; but, I feel the biggest issue for the Proteus is that its Propulsion systems are downright awful compared to the other options. It seems to me a lot of people pick the Propulsion system they use on the Proteus depending on if they want 2 lows or 1 mid and 1 low… and the bonuses don’t matter as much. I think that’s a huge issue for the ship class.
Great points there! In addition to all that, the proteus is absolutely the T3 most dependent on capacitor in which it’s woefully inadequate. Ugh… Proteus needs a serious reworking by CCP.
One thing I could get behind would be to reduce the targeting delay after decloaking to 0 like a stealth bomber among some other buffs.
I think they should give one of the subsystems that new plate mass reduction bonus that the Eris got. I love that bonus and want to see it extended to other ships and the Proteus is such a prime candidate for it. I’d also like to see the Proteus get 5 heavy drones and keep the drone velocity/tracking buff.
Edit: I’d also like to see one or two of the core subsystems offer 3 mids and 1 low instead of 2 and 2. Having a web would make such a difference. It’s pretty hard to get a web on there in its current state.
Where to begin with the proteus…?
First, you’re right about the subsystems. Why does it have to be less than every other t3? Its blatantly obvious that those things are less than the others.
I wrote out this big thing then my damn phone restarted. Suffice to say the proteus is actual hot garbage in every possible configuration, and I have perfect proteus skills.
I don’t see anything about a mass benefit for new plates on the Eris’ description. What is it?
It’s a 20% reduction in armor plate mass penalty per level:
It’s a really dank bonus, would love to see it on more T2 Roden ships.
It can still be used as a short range brick cannon. You can built it to take a beating with blasters. But that’s about all its good for… and that’s a problem when T3Cs are supposed to be versatile.
Yeah it’s just so problematic that it’s offense, defense, and propulsion is super dependent upon its ability to sustain its capacitor. Makes it so vulnerable in all sorts of situations.
DED sites, Sleeper sites, PVP against almost any worthy opponent is going to bring it to its knees if the opponent has a energy neut on it.
I’ve got plated battleships faster than an unplated proteus. Its speed is a huge drawback. I think its in the running to be the slowest mwd cruiser in the game.
Two different problems that seriously affect the Proteus’s ability to perform in all sorts of ways.
I get it… the Proteus was at the top of the heap for a long time. But I wish CCP would take a look at the T3Cs again and make sure they are all effective in some way. I really feel like they did a brilliant job in balancing the interdictors; the Sabre is still as effective as ever, but now the other ones are just as effective in different ways. That’s how every group of ships should be like.
And no, CCP… T3Cs (overall) do not need a nerf. Considering their expense and the threat of losing SP just flying one, they should be more powerful than any T2 cruisers…
It’s their huge flexibility that warrants the SP loss, not their power. But I agree they should be as powerful as a T2 cruiser at least.
With each module providing a bonus, they should be more powerful than T2s just based on the number of bonuses. But I get your point; and somewhat agree with it.
Regardless, the Proteus needs a lot of love. If you go by how they did dictors, the Loki is in a good spot… use it as the standard like they used the Sabre.
I’d love to see the proteus become a higher-SP alternative to an Ishtar, but ccp hates the proteus so I don’t see it happening. The poor thing got nerfed so hard because of people using it in wormholes that I might as well not consider it a t3.
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