The orignal posters whole post is flawed and misleading. He starts off by talking about pvping in T1 ships and then he switches to T2’s which is not relevant to his dueling. On top of that he goes on to complain about the cost of PvP but when people suggest that he needs to supplement his PvP costs with isk generators in the game he then replies that it is not worth his time unless he is making 200 million ticks (1 billion/hour). Going by the fact that this poster has been on these forums for over a month and after reviewing his posts it is safe to assume he is trolling.
This whole thread is nonsense. PvP is as expensive or as cheap as you want it to be.
I used the hypothetical figure of 50% because it seemed reasonable. Some people would naturally lose more, some less.
I actually lose more than 50%. I tend to get bored waiting, and want to engage. I let the others know my fit without demanding to know theirs. I don’t spend money on boosters.
You see, I prefer the thrill of trying to win a fight i should not win, above completely obliterating a new player whose ignorance I exploit. I also get incredibly bored, waiting for “fair fights” to come along.
There is a belief in Eve online that being “good” at fighting means picking on those who don’t know how to fight. You will find this belief in every school playground. It is held by a certain type of fighter.
There is also great satisfaction taken by some players in causing tears and upset in players who do not understand what is happening. Conspicuous delight in “harvesting tears” is also found in every playground. It is also part of an ordered set of characteristics you may find in a certain type of person and player.
I do not condemn this ordered set of characteristics, or this type of personality. On the contrary, I am keenly aware that there, but for the grace of god, go I.
Men who wish to lead, who wish to feel the uplifting security of respect, and maybe get laid one day by someone who isn’t their uncle, must demonstrate courage, compassion, decency and skill.
It doesn’t matter what the other type do. They are as nothing, and it has always been so.
It‘s OK, if you like to provide content and feed your ships to others who exploit your fairness, but what is then your problem? Losing more fights that way than you win is natural, and will not magically change.
BTW, finding “fair”* fights is rare, or fights uphill you can win, but it’s worth looking for.
*fair means, odds are 50:50 or better for you (but the other side doesn’t know)
Duelling or in general 1 on 1 fights will cost ISK. If you know know to beat your opponent you can earn ISK by PvPing. That does not mean 1 on 1 in the same ship and same fit. That only means to win in the end with more ships, better setup, more intel or surprise. Eve is not about fair fights. Its more about winning fights, then you won’t have any ISK Problems.
Hey pal, the phrase “only fly what you can afford to lose” sounds like a music. Looks like you are affordable to fly only Shuttles and Corvettes. No more satiric emotions… I came with suggestions.
You need a ship replacement program for Hi- and Low-Sec zones, which completely excludes the faction ships, T1 Battlecruisers and T2 Cruisers and above.
Options:
Improve respective PVP SP to maximum;
Insure ships;
Develop PI (45M ISK/week in Low-Sec Lvl IV) and some RnD-agent (is under 100M ISK/week at Lvl IV-V) skills. It’s some kind of passive (requires minimal attention) ISK making. Sadly, these passive income options for pure PVP oriented players was nerfed;
You have to join to a FW side. The Minmatar rolls very well at 60% Contested level III last 6 months. This is perfect option for you - daily mixed PVP with passive LP income in T1 frigates and destroyers;
Choose cheaper PVP fits aka focus on T2 modules and Faction Ammo or T2 drones;
Try different PVP options and avoid dueling until you’ll feel what DPS your ship will perform and how you’ll tank damage considering: ship types (including signature, resistances, possible mid- and low-modules), wepon tracking, weapon falloff, distance, speed, fly vector, overloading etc.
Try Exploration. It’s another type of relatively mid-range and fast income compared to other capsuleers jobs. You can mix it to PVP also.
Join to Red&Blue alliance;
Join to Bjorn Bee’s fleets. He creating amazing fleet battles of cheap T1 Cruisers and below. Condition: you have to buy and fit your own ship.
Well, then, you’ve succeeded. You’re not supposed to win any fights in EVE. None. We’re not trying to fight you, fair or otherwise. We’re trying to kill you and take your things, no matter what tripe you’ve been fed about “good fights” or “pvp”. This isn’t a boxing ring. It’s a warzone. You’re not being honorable. You’re being stupid. BE SMARTER.
EVE’s pvp experience is so exhilarating because it costs you to lose what you’re flying. If you don’t like that then EVE is not meant for you and you know what? that’s ok, not evey game is for everyone but that’s only my first point.
EVE gives you the tools to have cheap pvp with T1 frigs and destros (even with T2 modules and rigs). Cruz, bc and bs make for a more expensive but different kind of pvp (that personnally I enjoy a bit less but that’s my pov).
Anyway whatever your income is, you can pvp but if you’re not earning many isks you won’t be able to welp pimped T3C every day.
Personnally these days I fly a faction freg T2 fitted which cost between 50 and 60M and I can’t manage to welp them faster than my rorq mines so I’m cool.
I don’t want to be rude OP, but you’re just straight up wrong. PvP can be expensive, but it can also be profitable. Goodfight duels and 1v1s can be costly, but that’s why CCP added SEVERAL PVP-CENTRIC INCOME SOURCES. You wanna profit on PvP do factional warfare. It’s basically designed so you can sustain PvP indefinitely. Add in the number of players who moderately bling their ships and if you fly well you can further add to your profit from PvP. I recently pulled like 300 mil in modules out of FW lowsec I’d just been throwing in stations and forgot about until recently.
When you add in ganks and non-consentual pvp you can further supplement your Goodfight costs. PvP is arguably one of the most profitable lifestyles in Eve. IF you are good.
Also wtf are you faction fitting your ships? How are you spending more than 10 mil on a frigate? Like 15 mil tops. Are you putting T2 rigs on it or something? Like seriously whatever you’re doing is wrong.
Also, Highsec dueling is honestly a terrible form of PvP for most people. It’s a “rich man’s” hobby. Because there is no risk to loading up on implants, and from my brief forays into it highsec Duelists tend to PvE more so they throw more isk at their ships. Now this isn’t a knock to Hek fight club necessarily. I tried it for a bit and it wasn’t for me, but they seem to have a good system worked out. But you’re essentially going to a high stakes poker tournament where everyone has a lot of cash and knows their ■■■■. Maybe play at some home games first?(FW is home games in this analogy).
I think one thing people often forget is the very nature of the game we are playing. This is not WoW where I am some paladin saving the town from the evil horde. This is EVE. We are capsules independent from any faction who are trying to survive in this dysyopic universe of new Eden. That is the game we play. And yes we can join faction corps for FW and do missions for the faction navies or other groups. However, when it comes down to the bottom line, our role in this game is as independent capsules trying to survive.
So yes, PvP can be expensive. It’s part of the survival aspect. You don’t get mad at Left for Dead or the like because you have to scrounge up bullets and resources. It was the game you chose to play and if you wanted unlimited ammo, call of duty is a better option. EVE is no different. Making isk so you can afford your own form of survival is part of the game. If it was otherwise, we wouldn’t be playing eve, it would be a different game.
This is why every one in eve needs to find their ways to fund their desired activities, be it missions, Indy, trading, whatever. It’s part of the game.
Yes, I concede that I am wrong about this. Insurance and moderation in fitting, combined with knowing how to farm isk sensibly (i.e. nulsec ratting), does make it reasonably viable.
I also agree that Eve would be a different (and worse) game if the cost of losing were too low.
I don’t want to delete the thread because the debate was useful and might convince others to insure their ships and think more carefully about how they go about their PVP.
Thanks to the posters here who offered helpful advice.
CCP should really pay attention to threads like this. Because they prove that CCPs intentions don’t amount to squat.
CCP has spent how many untold thousands of man hours on ‘tiercide’ and making all classes of ships relevant and useful. When I started playing EVE in 2007, most ships were utterly useless and only a few were good at anything. T1 was just a stepping stone to the ‘good’ ships.
Now we have a game where freaking Tristan fleets exist and solo pvp Merlins owning people exist. A good pilot in a well fit T1 cruiser can ruin the day of a bad pilot in a HAC. Even the skill requirements are lower than in the past, you can get in to ships way earlier.
And somehow you get threads like this complaining about the cost of PVP… Even if CCP spawned pvp capable ships for free someone would find a way to claim that this too costs too much…
In a game where flying an afk drone cruiser in null sec generates enough isk for 2-3 fitted T1 cruisers or 10+ fitted pvp frigates per hour. Hell, who needs null sec when you can make 200 mil an hour blitzing burners.
At least the OP seems to have come to his senses, but his original sentiment is a common one, and not jsut about PVP. EVE itself is cheaper today than ever (free even). $15 was more money in 2003 than it is in 2017. And yet somehow EVE itself is just too damn expensive…
That was a decade ago. A ten year old horse runs faster than a one year old horse . . . it’s just too bad he doesn’t have flexible arms like you do to pat himself on the back about it.
Given your conclusion, does your opening statement mean that CCP needs to promote how cheap PvP actually is so people with the OP’s sentiments dont claim otherwise?
