Careful he might start screaming about how he isnt screaming at you (show him where he said that!)
… which is a problem, because … ?
Exactly.
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Fleets use decoys all the time. Just send a sacrifice in and test to see if the target will have friends showing up.
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They also use bait, but that’s been covered in posts above.
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Also, a gang leader might have sent the juvie to get blooded, and when that failed sent someone to clean up.
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Maybe someone had a score to settle or just wanted “honorable” combat - then, as often happens in non-structured duels, another pilot went to immediately restore his buddy’s honor upon his loss.
–Gadget is not a decoy; don’t look behind you
Escher or van Saar?
I sense an opportunity for another Wizard of Oz gif.
If he is playing the chars one at a time that is not multiboxing, that is just alts.
I once won Murder of the Month in UO for killing a guy that came back with 5 alts for a total of 6 kills on one guy
Orlock as soon as they drop again.
–Gadget rolls ones
Ah my original and still go-to favourite
I was dealing with a rather large corp where the ceo went bipolar from wanting to hide to “we must kill the evil pirates!!!111” their 22 man fleet was destroyed by 1 guy with 5 accounts +1 guy in a logi ship with 0 losses for the pirates vs close to 40 ships in the 22man fleet.
Totaly support Frodel Beit-Lehem here!
I’m astonished by the environment in forums, every time someone posts his frustration about some game mechanics he gets a storm of attacks about what else would he expected in that fit, etc. For the past three months playing players in game I’ve met are way more better, gankers don’t hesitate to talk about my mistakes and how things work and it’s interesting evading them and meeting them (even though it means loosing a ship).
My opinion in this situation is that there is a huge difference wether the guy was multiboxing or had a buddy. There are only so many buddies (around 30k players online in EU time) and as he was multiboxing it means he didn’t have a buddy at the specific situation. Which means that he would not jump on the OP in the first place or would have lost if he did. With multiboxing it is all turned around and in a situation where OP would do his stuff undisturbed or would have taken a win, he lost a ship.
About the argument that multiboxing is everywhere, well, no it isn’t. Try multiboxing in PVP in Elite:Dangerous. Flying requires active use of keyboard and mouse, so you can’t multibox in combat situations. Multiboxing is possible because in EVE you can do everything with mouse just distributing commands every few seconds. It is not bad that it is possible and is used in EVE, but everybody has a right to have opinion about it’s use in certain situations and impact on a capsullers day in eve. On the morality of such a situation I stand with the OP. And if I would do PVP, I would not multibox, because I don’t do that.
OP’s biggest mistake was to engage in a PVE fit at all. Typically in most games PVP requires a very specific fit which can do only PVP and is really bad about doing any other stuff in game. So if you PVP, that’s all you do until you change your fit. And if you PVE, you simply evade PVP, because your fit won’t work. And because of that, if you PVE, then simply don’t try to do PVP and evade those people when you detect them.
Of course the mentioned is not everywhere, that same Elite has different hauling mechanics where traders fly big ships with big options on fits, they have tank and they have defenses and they can engage pirates, if they are ready for it. Hauling in this game is all built around suicide ganking in highsec which is why something like that is not possible in EVE, which is a pitty cause hauling is only about evading but could be way more interesting.
On conclusion, OP, don’t let them get you down! Not everyone thinks multiboxing in PVP is the way to go!
Sorry for my English.
Without knowing more it is hard to say much about this. Was the 22 (or was it 40) fleet in a kitchen sink fleet? Was there some really bad FCing?
We had a much larger fleet drop on us in Stain once. We were initially inclined to GTFO, but then noticed that the fleet was a kitchen sink fleet. We anchored up since we were all in doctrine ships and mopped the floor with them.
More people gives an advantage, but it does not assure one of always winning. Especially when the other side bring a disparate array of ships which makes FCing very hard if not impossible.
it was a 22 man fleet but they reshiped for around 40 deaths as they station ships in system to fight over the citadel, the fc was a guy along with a few others that came from a pvp corp promising the miners the world and failed flying some expensive ships than leaving the blame on the 1guy with 5 alts and the +1 logi had bettet ships.
You get those stories even without people worshipping their killboards.
Actually, yes that would be a fair mechanic because it would be allowed by the developer.
It would be a very poor mechanic, and would be the downfall of the game, but it would be fair because all combatants would have the opportunity to pay for it.
And while we are talking about sh*t that will never happen, you should really try to refrain from outlandish hypothetical to make a point. Basing an argument off of something absurd makes you look like a whining . Stick to things more realistic and your points would actually be taken seriously.
he only needed a couple of mates to help not 30k
OP claims he makes up to 30b a month yet whines about a single ship loss and cannot understand why multiboxing is allowed.
Let me clear it up for the OP.
CCP allow it, end of.
EDIT typo
So is it fair merely because the developer said so or is it fair because of it adheres to a principle of parity of opportunity? You realize those are two different things right? And you do realize that your original claim --the one Mayhew smacked down-- is entirely falacious, yeah?
If a general prinicple is so powerful and reliable that it needs no qualifications and/or argument, then it will have no problems standing up to even absurd situations. Why are you so triggered by them?
I have no need for my points on this matter to be taken seriously on EVE forums. Why is that so important to you? If I did want to convince people I was right, it would take a lot of back and forth and argument. Especially since “mechanical” fairness (to adapt a term used earlier) is predicated on an understanding of fairness which is based on a closed system. Just getting past that would take gallons of (e)ink.
Thats hardly appropriate for this venue, which is why I decided to not pursue it any further. But hey…I am just a whining snowflake
The only thing that Mayhaw is capable of smacking down is his own credibility, if he actually had any.
No one smacked anything down.
I’ve already explained this, twice now I think.
“Fair” is subjective.
If the developers permit something, then yes, I think it’s fair. All players have the opportunity to partake in the gameplay the developers permit.
If you choose not to, as in, choose not to multibox, then you are gimping yourself. Just because other players choose to take advantage of gameplay that is allowed does not mean they are being unfair or cheating.
You carebears expect everyone to adhere to your morals, but guess what, you don’t matter. CCP matters. If it falls within their permitted playstyle then it is fair.
Grow a set a quit whining.
Where did I say anyone had to adhere to my morals? Where did I say what my morals were? I said that its silly to state EVE IS FAIR as if it was a fact of the world. Its far better to say “eve is NOT fair. deal with it” because the burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim.
Funny enough, if “fair” was entirely subjective then being snarky/butthurt because someone said something was ‘unfair’ would be pretty sad wouldnt it? People are all about relativism until someone has a different opinion… lol
Yes. I’m very “butthurt”. Very much so.
I sure wish my posterior wasn’t in so much pain from all these verbal thrashing given to me by people who enjoy arguing semantics.
I dont say EvE is unfair because I think it’s 100% fair, just like all other video games. If you are upset that another player is is adhering to the rules, and feel its unfair, that’s your problem and no one else’s.
To come into a forum and state that it is unfair anr that those players are not playing fair, even though they are not cheating, is applying your morals to the player base.