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Reb, the damage was done when CCP removed the -25% ROF bonus on destroyers and left the mining barges and exhumers tank as it was, thus giving a massive buff to ganking and left it like that for two and a half years. That cleaned out a lot of players, once CCP adjusted the mining barges and Exhumers to enable people to have effective tanks then it was less of an issue, but they lost a lot of players who would still be there now chewing rocks.
Then of course we had blanket war decs, which CCP have now acted on.
The gankers and war deckers now have a much smaller impact on player loss at this point in my opinion. Yes players leave due to gankers, and the most affected are low hanging easy to kill fruit, which are many new players who have not got in with others. The amusing thing now is that the Trig recons are now the most effective gankers in Eve of new players, because they can blap a new player fit Venture before it can warp out. CODE are really not that active, most of their ISK value is from ganking freighters.
As for the Toxic attitude, you can block people in this forum who are toxic and I have done this, it improves things immensely and I think that CCP should make people more aware that these forums have this functionality.
Though I would advise you not to block Black Pedro because his posts are informative even if you disagree with him.
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Splitting hairs hereâŚbut could that also be wordedâŚ
âRemoved the -25% ROF penalty on destroyers.â?
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No Drac is actually a nice guy. Very passionate about EVE like all of us are.
If you ever chatted to him in Discord you will actually have a really good discussion.
Forum typing never shows you the real person behind the text. Talking to somebody you actually get a bit of an idea who the person is. And Drac is really good and actually has some good ideas if you gave him a chance.
To be honest I will love to have a beer with all you bastards one day.
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While I would totally buy him a beer (goes for pretty much everyone here) in RL, Drac is extremely dishonest when it comes to discussing.
There are people you can have an actual discussion with and speak honestly about a topic while trying to avoid word games and actually updating ones position if the opposition makes a good argument. You canât have such a discussion with him. If you even try to breach trough his word games for the sake of clarification and honest discussion he will desolve into pure trolling. I run into this more then once and it is just no fun if you actually try to discuss something and the other side just completely goes nuts if you make a good argument.
Maybe this depends on the people he talks to. I kinda think he has an issue with gankers because he thinks this is wrong (even if he doesnât admit it). There is some white knight tendency that isnât explained with his facade of âjust for the balanceâ.
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Ganking is not a problem. Attitude and behavior of some gankers however is. The toxicity that CODE. spread out, especially their minerbumping.com is something that would get them banned in other games.
I know a several players who left because of this, not because they got ganked, but because this â â â â (plus large scale of multiboxing) is allowed in this game.
Personally I joined gankers. It is the easiest no risk pvp you can get and it is cheap and fun. You cannot lose and when you fail a gank well you donât consider that a lost, the ships would be lost anyway so what. Perfect content for pvpbears. (Yes I am pvpbear and I am proud of it.)
YepâŚthatâs why I leftâŚ
Iâll back CODE, the code and James until NE goes supernova but Iâll probably never fly for them again.
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Compared to what? Are you telling me that some F1 monkey in a blob has a more difficult gameplay and more risk? Or I mean any other PvP in EVE for that matterâŚ
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Funny you took F1 monkeys into comparsions as ganking is just F1 all around. The difference is that most gankers are also prepping the gank which is the harder and knowhow-needing part, but even if you add this into the activity - and not every ganker is doing this, there are plenty of âwarp-me-and-I-press-F1-for-Xbil-killâ gankers, it is still nowhere near FCing wardec battles.
But if you believe that ganking is harder than any other pvp I guess you never did more than being blobbed on a target to press F1 in nullsec or in suicide gank. I admit I never participated in the null block fights, but all the other pvp I was doing, and mostly not so succesfully, was more skill-demanding and thrilling than ganking. Buuut I was bad at it, so why would I kept doing that and losing when I can gank unaware targets who donât shoot back.
I was in a Null snake fleet up with a famous streamer the other week and I heard over discord to turn prop mods on and I was slow at reacting and fell behind the approach and died.
I have done a lot of different PvP stuff in EVE. I donât gank with this character (I do that on alts), I do mostly solo PvP with him. I was in fleets in lowsec, did faction warfare back when it was new, I was for years in w-space and the occasional nullsec roam.
You have either no clue about EVE PvP at all or you are just trolling. The main component or âdifficultyâ of a fight is always controlling the engagement. It doesnât matter in what part of space, the only difference is the stuff you have to account for because of the local game mechanics. The micromanaging â â â â is for tryhards from other games who think winning a âfair fightâ is what itâs all about. If you find yourself in a âfair fightâ, both sides have â â â â â â up heavily to let it come that far"
Now the loudest people who think they are the pinnacle of EVE PvP are usually the ones that have absolutely no part in any of this strategic decisions and are just part of a group who literally presses F1 when the FC tells them to. Maybe there are some scouts, ok, they do a bit more but the rest is just cannon fodder.
There is no real difference between what an FC in null/worm/low/highsec has to do apart from the already mentioned game mechanics, which are in highsec probably the most complicated do to the different aspects the game tries to suppress aggression.
And that is basically it. Feel free to disagree.
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I donât know why you talked about fair, honorable 1v1 pvp, I never brought this up.
There is a reason why multiboxing roaming/wardec/blob pvp fleets is not a thing. At best some players are using second character for pvp but hardly any more.
Suicide ganking is controllable environment, your victim doesnât shoot back, and you lose your ship anyway so any potentional defenders are pointless. AGs are only a killmail gatherers nothing else, they have no capability to stop the gank and mostly no intention either. PvP in wardec, lowsec, nullsec is not controllable, you donât know what happens and you need to bring the ships back to win. (Yes you can use ganking strategy in wardec too, but that is different topic).
This sentence makes no sense at all. So what is the issue, that they are not able to shoot back or that it would be pointless anyway IF they where able to shoot back? And how does that differ from other places? I mean you can gank miners in nullsec and you can gank marauders in highsec, the only difference is that it is more difficult to kill the thing in highsec mechanic wise (and you are guaranteed to lose your ship) but it is probably easier to find a target because of more oblivious people.
It is absolutely controllable anywhere. The same way you learned how to control all the factors in Highsec you can learn to control them in any other space. Thatâs in no way more difficult. Stuff can always go wrong, but thatâs not the rule and this can be the case in ganking as well.
And as for the difficulty of learning PvP in different environments, in Highsec you have an awful lot of mechanics that are not obvious and neutrals you have to account for or can use to your advantage. In most other places itâs just piling more people on each other.
No argument there for the most part. There are a few like @Knowledgeminer that actually do use the game mechanics in his favor and can stop your ganking dead in the water. But he also does this for fun and to annoy gankers and isnât the typical wannabe hero white knight type that is just full of rage and out of brain.
No you donât. If you do regular non-suicide ganking your ship is insured and you lose almost nothing when it blows up except if you use bling fits, in which case that is totally on you as you are in control of what you put on the table. Always expect to lose when you undock, itâs just when you not suicide gank you have a pretty good chance to keep it anyway.
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Well you convinced me. From now on, I will refer to myself as elite pvper just as you guys. We are doing the hardest pvp there is afterall.
Hey!
Iâve been reading a lot in this thread, and you found it suspicious that a ganker can jump all his alts through a gate at the same time. Iâve been reading on, yet didnât find anyone explaining to you how that works.
IF YOU ALREADY KNOW AND I JUST MISSED A POST TELLING YOU, THEN JUST IGNORE THIS!
Anyhow, itâs easy.
Set Autopilot for every alt to the system on the other side.
Initiate fleetwarp.
Activate AP for every character.
Arrive at gate.
Everyone jumps.
AutoPilot has a few interesting use cases for people who donât use it for travelling.
And blocking Black Pedro is going to make a lot of kittens cry.
Black Kittens. Afro-Mexican kittens especially.
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I know you are just sarcastic. The point was that your romantic fantasies of some people in EVE doing âactual PvPâ and having it super difficult is just plain wrong. Itâs the same thing everywhere, the main aspect of it is planing and controlling the environment and engagement and that can be done everywhere, itâs just âdifferentâ and not âmore difficultâ.
And some people enjoy it the nullsec way, other the highsec way. EVE has a pretty diverse and interesting landscape with the different mechanical rulesets.
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Welcome back! You donât really think he is interested in hearing how that works right? He is just here for the controversy and to get more gankers reported (which will do nothing, but hey, at least they have the feeling they do something)
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Thank you! It is ME, Solio! Your fresh breeze of forum air!
My saner alter ego sees no point in being around here,
so you guys have to deal with me instead! My first post already got flagged, (WOOHOO!! :D)
but the ISD unhi ⌠unhu ⌠uuhhh ⌠made it visible again. 
What I think doesnât matter. Hell, some say Iâm not thinking at all!" 
I think I should dye my hair black and go shoot someone.
Black always suited me. I miss being evil. 
Also I want bitemarks on my neck. Muahahahaha. *coughcough*
Anyhow, what matters is when someone, whoever it is, believes thereâs some bogus â â â â going on when this happens, although there are perfectly legal game mechanics allowing for it to happen.
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Is there a way to âone buttonâ align the fleet without warping? I knew how to make fleet jumps but not to alignâŚwould be very useful. Just asking