The Rise and Fall in Bitcoin Value

Not when you add more stupidity on top on the previous stupidity.
Being wrong is not learning. When you are an idiot you don’t learn from your mistakes, you hide them. Which is exactly what you do, by diverting the subject.

You are a liar. Your opinion is clear on that topic, that you don’t mind making WRONG claims when they help you attack the pretended opinion of the opponent. That’s the definition of a strawman. You ACCEPT to defame me in order to make a strawman. That’s the definition of a liar. You’re not a liar because you were wrong - you’re a liar because you ACCEPT to make wrong claims.

All your anecdotes are just that : hiding your lies behind more stupidity.
Then you will make more loaded questions, misrepresenting my position and defaming me more. Because you are a liar, making up lies is an acceptable way to avoid accepting your mistakes.

Being wrong does not enable to learn. you can learn without being wrong. And that’s the issue : you pretend it’s acceptable to be wrong, when it’s clearly the worst case for learning. And then you pretend it’s a good thing, while no : it only means you are wrong. Nothing else.

The only person being wrong here is you, and you literally accept that . Your post was projection on me of your bad habits and your dishonesty.

I learned about the OSI model when I was a youth around 1999, no stupidity here buddy, What you said is simply not in line with fact I can’t possibly take you seriously when you are so unwilling to learn.

If you say so.

We are in a forum where people chat right? If being asked questions upsets you perhaps you shouldn’t type on forums.

As far as I’m aware I gave you a fair opportunity to explain something you said and was patient.

I wasn’t aware of your good reputation, perhaps you are the only one who thinks you have a good reputation?

No it’s fact. Being wrong is being wrong. Again you make that stupid BS remark.

Being asked loaded question is dishonest.
Stop pretending that being dishonest is the same thing as chatting. It shows you are an idiot.

LIAR . I told you you were wrong and you did not even try to understand what this meant.
You are lying again. Repeating your lies after I told you you were wrong, was not “fair”. You are a LIAR, trying to distort the reality.

More proof of your stupidity.
What you wrote here is completely stupid. You can have a bad reputation and still be defamed.

You are again making personal attack to avoid the actual topic.
You have no honesty, no respect of people. You literally claimed it’s okay to be wrong when it allows you to disagree with me.

You are the worst of the trash. No wonder you accepted to scam people.
It’s too bad you can’t be charged for participation in a scam. Because you should. You should go to jail until your learn to STFU and not insult people because they proved you are wrong. You are dangerous for society. You should be removed from it and lose all your human rights for your attitude.

lol, you’ve lost me man.

Indeed reality lost you.

You promoted a scam. So you should take responsibility in the way other people were abused by this scam. And since you can’t realize how bad your attitude is, you should also be removed from society (that’s what jail is for) because you are actually harming people by your stupidity.

You claimed it’s okay for you to be wrong when it allows you to disagree with me. That’s what you found as an excuse for having promoted what was at the time an obvious ponzi. That was your sole answer to you being wrong at the time : that you can’t agree with me because of things that were wrong(you were using defamation for that) ; and then you claimed it was right to be wrong at that time, while it was obviously used as a way to avoid your responsibility.

Those claims imply that you accept to harm other people, because that’s what you actually did, for a personal interest. The people who make those claims, the society puts them into jails so that they stop their acts.

The only thing you propose in your defense, is even more nonsense, like a claim that people can’t be defamed if they don’t have a good reputation, which is plainly more stupidity. You are only adding more and more stupidity, and you can’t even acknowledge the bad things you did. The irony when you were talking about BTC helping people in the need. We now know it was all a lie, since you don’t mind lying for the sake of pretending to be right.

I think you may misunderstand my point, so I add :

I’m not saying that you were wrong by being interested in BTC. I’m not interested in that technology but it does not mean you should not.

What I’m saying, is that your attitude has been wrong on the topic. That you should learn more about fallacies and how you use them without thinking, and what they actually tell about YOUR issues.
People are wrong all the time, but people can learn with the proper attitude. Which you don’t have. Error humanus, persevere diabolicum.

To make a constructive post, because I actually don’t believe you should go to jail or whatever and I believe you are actually willing to learn (I mean if you are a dishonest liar then there is no point talking to you and I’m only wasting my time), here is a video where you can learn how what you used was fallacies.

Personal attack :

argument from ignorance (when I don’t answer to you, therefore I believe X)

non seqitur

I have hope you actually learn logic from this episode of you being wrong. We can all be wrong, but the question is : what do we get from those experiences ? If we don’t, then we remain mediocre.
You seem intelligent enough to be passionate about topic that require technical understanding and I hope, next time I am wrong(or someone else), you can explain me why with rational argument, rather than the emotional ones you presented here.

It was important to explain you the spread of your mistakes and responsibility, but also it’s important that you keep positivism. Make your mistakes a strength, sharpen your mind, be a better person.

Have a nice day.

This is part of the problem I can see, people are investing tons of money in BTC mining when the genuine BTC retail use is still low. The BTC mining firms who grow with the retail use of BTC will be the successful ones.

They invested billions in ASIC’s and the transaction fees which would support them simply aren’t enough at the moment. I guess the miners were also misled into thinking BTC would be adopted faster.

A good BTC mining operation is one which has fewer ASIC’s, and incorporates on-site renewables like Wind/solar in addition to electric from the grid. So mining operations will need to scale down and have more of a non-profit objective, It’s no point in them waiting for the next boom as there may not be one, and even if it does boom it will just mean more people are holding it for investment which will therefore be another false boom because it’s not linked to more people using btc for transactions.

So yes, if we look at the design of BTC it seems to extend deep into the future, the difficulty reduces the amount of coins rewarded so that the last BTC will be mined around 2140. I think we have ignored this fact for too long and it should be considered when people are choosing to invest in it.

For BTC usage to get to billions it may take 20 to 50 years, so those investing now should seriously think about this.

In a strange sort of way I am kind of happy to see the investment part of it crash like this because it exposes the thieves and liars, I am happy that investment firms wont be able to operate and talk people into giving money. All we need is a non-profit crypto exchange in every country and non-profit miners.

Human perception and desire (greed) are the only problems I see here. The main focus has been the value the token can carry, but now I think the full focus should be on the help it can provide humanity, So if countries want to use it for their legal currency they can do so without everyone trying to profit from it and creating a false price which makes more people invest and the false price increases,

We can argue and fight about facts, but one main fact is there was something very wrong with the way BTC was presented to the world which is a reasonable conclusion because the creator is nowhere to be found.

Also one last point, if the crypto exchanges or fiat currencies crash then who will be there to transfer the value of BTC back into fiat? Ultimately if you hold BTC, then you really only have a set of tokens that can have a fiat value assigned to them in a very secure way among other features, (which is still amazing) if we take a look at the current exchanges they are a mess with no clue what they are doing, it is very clear many of them misunderstand that they do nothing with customer funds and use money from profits based on fees charged to the customer.

A crypto exchange could charge their customers £10 per month and scale up as and when more customers join and pay. This should pay for staff on decent salaries, bills, equipment and everything they need to operate any initial setup investment can be repaid quickly. At this point they can use funds from the £10 a month to set up in new countries. They do not need salespeople/traders investing in 1000s of other crypto start ups, just normal staff overseeing a humble non-profit operation.

Has Lucas finally met his match?

Lol WTF

I think you confuse democracy with fascism, maybe you haven’t seen a real democracy yet, as it doesn’t require a totalitarian state that can surveil everything.

No, and that is completely fine as long as I’m not legally obliged to eat food from a certain farmer or money from a certain central banker.

First you claim that Bitcoin takes away power from the representatives of the people, and then when challenged that the people you referred to don’t even represent the people, you are suddenly fine with it just being a business.

This isn’t you trying to have a honest discussion or even trying to get an informed opinion across, you just fling ■■■■ at the wall to see what sticks in the hope you win points in an internet discussion. It’s completely pointless. Do better, I know you can.

See what I mean. WTF should that even be man, that is kindergarten level ■■■■■■■■

The ECB can continue to do that, I don’t really care what they do except if they want to prevent people from using the money I chose and force them to use theirs.

I don’t think their economic theories are very sound to begin with. It doesn’t really look like they know what they are doing when they claim “inflation came out of nowhere” and then blame everything but themselves, when Austrian economics said two years prior to inflation that their actions will lead to exactly that.

It’s just a hobby

Just a moment ago they where representing the people and where in integral part of a functioning democracy. And suddenly they are just a regular business, like no one elects butchers either lol… :clown_face:

Well good luck man.

Oh it’s obviously crap. Every Bitcoin node validates every single transaction and every single block that ever happened when they are bootstraped, and then continues to validate every new block and transaction as they arrive from other nodes.

The sentence they wrote above makes zero sense. You can show this to any IT guy or programmer anywhere and they would tell you that the person who wrote it has not a single clue what they are talking about.

1 Like

Sure, as long as you can’t read.

This is the problem right here, I think far too many people have a similar attitude to you where you can never be told absolutely anything. You seem petrified of being wrong and will never admit it. Even when it’s proven you are wrong there is no effort on your part to understand what is fact.

1 Like

Is this the beginning of the end for the current crypto exchanges?

Indeed, he told me absolutely nothing.

There was not single constructive element in his post. So all I can answer to his stupid posts is laugh. Because that’s all they are worth.
None of the sentence he was using was actually addressing my point, and then he says it’s crap. Well his post is crap then.

1 Like

Well okay but I don’t think this is healthy, For myself I drink a chamomile, passion flower, or valerian tea which helps calm me down if I am overwhelmed and get a great nights sleep.

There is points one can address and correct, and then there is that stuff you wrote that doesn’t even get the basics right. How should I even address that? By giving you a leasson about network protocols?

I’m not gona waste my time with that. You will just ignore it and make something else up that makes no sense either. People who understand anything at all about the topic see right trough you anyway, and you are not interested in learning anything because you already think you know it all.

I rather waste my time on people who at least show some small capability of having a honest discussion occasionally.

Stay mad and continue to preach how it’s a ponzi with no real arguments. Lol

indeed,

The guy who was interviewed Matthew Le Merle who is a venture capitalist says his firms will only invest in crypto projects who are designing apps, he seems to want to get more retailers involved and will invest in that instead of the usual trader who is out for profit. All he is talking about is raising adoption and he seems to be monitoring it very closely. I like what he’s doing.

I can already see his investment firms profit will come from ad-hoc fees of people who use crypto strictly for retail or a large retail establishment might purchase one of his firms system/apps for use as payment systems, Profit is only realised when billions use BTC and not invest in it. I’m pretty excited about this and it seems to be an ethical way to invest in crypto.

Also the gang that was arrested for laundering is good police work, perhaps the public ledger made it easier for police to catch them?

Yes, so when criminals use crypto for crime they still have to transfer it back to fiat somehow which is when authorities notice abnormalities which will be investigated. When they saw large amount’s of fiat money were paid into accounts they must have found names and conducted surveillance on people of interest. It seems it’s impossible to deal in crypto without dealing in fiat and their associated systems, fiat cash seems to be the endgame with most crypto deals/agreements.

The Banque de France is a member of the Eurosystem, which groups together the European Central Bank and the national central banks of all countries that have adopted the euro. The Bank is a sui generis public entity governed by the French Monetary and Financial Code. The conditions whereby it conducts its missions on national territory are set out in its Public Service Contract.

Whatever nonsense you are pouting here, it’s funny blatent lies. So, time again for you to ignore my replies that show you are lying. You should stop lying. You aren’t good at it.

You need it more than me. The walls are closing in on the scam… the following person believed she had the privacy to commit crimes… but hey, only children and you believe that a better world will come from shady dealings.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjh19novPb7AhUL_aQKHSVTCJcQFnoECAsQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcrypto.news%2Feu-parliament-pro-crypto-member-eva-kaili-arrested-in-belgium%2F&usg=AOvVaw1YCvp_OBZhD0zEOk4HmH91