It’s not outrageous to believe a virus from nature can be cured by herbal/nutrition means, making ones immune system stronger/adaptive and so on. So while I agree with you somewhat, I would say that not everybody is as clued up on herbal/natural remedies or creating a strong immune system.
I could be wrong but I drank lots of elderberry tea and I never caught covid, I’m purely speaking from my experience only and this is not medical advice.
What else would I spend it on?
It’s a common misconception that you can somehow supercharge your immune system. That’s not actually the case. If you don’t eat too bad, make at least some sport, your immune system is as good as someones who spends hundreds of dollars on remedies and vitamins. This is just wellness stuff, it’s basically a scam.
The only factors that screw with your chances to successfully fight the virus are age or if your body is already burdened with another sickness. In both cases the capacity of your body to repair the damage the sickness is causing may simply be too much while the immune system is trying to find ways to fight the virus. Since it’s chance based that can also happen when you are completely healthy, it’s just vary rare.
The problem with the virus is that it evolved to suppress the immune system, or in some cases even use it against you. Basically your immune system will try to find an answer to a threat which is really good at hiding, while you are being eaten alive, as it turns more and more of your cells into virus factories. This isn’t the case with the vaccine, it just exposes the protein the immune system requires to find the solution to fight the virus, while you are not actually in danger of being overwhelmed.
Some people rather like to roll the dice though. Their decision. But trying to prevent the spread until people could make that decision was the right thing, although I have to agree that some governments went completely crazy. We had like a two week lockdown here in the beginning to break an exponential situation where it could have overwhelmed the healthcare system. From them on it was basically just masks and hygiene measures.
Anyway, not surprised Nana fell for the vitamins, lol
It’s even worse than that, as it can lead people to harm themselves more.
Nature is not your friend. It’s a centuries-old belief that nature provides the poison and the cure ; while in reality, that nature does not exist. People want to believe, they want hope while facing the void of life, but it also leads them to being abused (some may want to use you, some may want to be used byyyy you)
Quick response, I’m working at the minute. You know me I only work with what I see and know. Late in the pandemic when venues we’re opening again a friend of a friend found an elderberry mixture that they took daily. facts; they attended a venue with lots of people…everyone caught covid except for my friends friend and his family.
Herbal remedies are not a scam, Valerian and Passion flower teas/tinctures gave me the best nights sleep of my life around 15 years ago and since then I take it regular maybe once or twice a week. Through achieving high quality REM sleep this helped me relieve my stress/anxiety issues I had. There really is no debate on this topic as I only work on fact and trying things for myself before committing to an opinion.
We can also compare the statistics of a country like Jamaica (everyone knows how to walk into the bush and identify, prepare and use medicinal herbs) with other countries, Jamaica barely had any cases throughout the entire pandemic.
Yeah, a lot of herbal remedies contain substances that have an effect on the body. A lot of synthetic medication is based on this substances that where found in plants.
But there is no known herbal remedy as far as I know that will protect you from the corona virus.
That Jamaica may had fewer cases may be true, I did not check, but there may be countless reasons for that, attributing it to something like herbal remedies is just a guess.
I know quite a lot of people who swear on herbal remedies, it’s kind of a trend around here. One of them is an anthroposophic doctor who told young people to not vaccinate because they are healthy and don’t need it. He unfortunately got it really bad, and the virus completely wrecked his health. It knocked him out for over half a year now and he still hasn’t recovered fully.
So you see, there are anecdotal stories on both sides. I did not make this up, and this isn’t a story I’m repeating, I actually know that person.
You’re right, I don’t tell anyone not to take the vaccine.
At the beginning of the pandemic they did say 85% of the world won’t be affected badly and would only have mild symptoms or none at all. It looks like the lockdown was a measure taken to save the lives of the 15% who would be badly effected. If that is the case then I have to fully agree with locking down.
I googled this;
How does vitamin D affect immune system?
Vitamin D can modulate the innate and adaptive immune responses. Deficiency in vitamin D is associated with increased autoimmunity and an increased susceptibility to infection.
There is much to learn, could it be that those 15% lacked the ability for their immune systems to have an adaptive response? I get what you mean where people were already suffering from other illnesses.
no, if 15% or all people are to be treated in intensive care, then there is a huge impact on everybody. THAT is the reason of the lockdown. There was less than 5% of death at the beginning, still it was very dangerous because the burden on health system would mean OTHER people would die. Society can’t afford to have 5% of population in such a bad state.
It was not a threat as itself, just like AIDS won’t kill someone.
Lockdown was here to help health system not be under too much pressure. You can’t stop the virus, but you can reduce its impact on the society. What’s more, people learnt a lot from it in the first year, so people don’t even die of it by now unless already seriously weakened - even though it evolved and became 6 times as infectious as the original one.
It’s the same for vaccine. It’s not supposed to prevent you from getting it ; it’s supposed to reduce the impact on the society.
Deficiency in vitamin D creating issues, does not mean that increased intakes will help in any way. It’s actually the opposite, excess intake creates its own issue.
If you lack water, you die of thrist. If you drink too much water, you also die of dehydration.
Oh no, the bitcoin megathread has turned into a 'ronie virus / “vaccine” thread?
Yeah, but you shouldn’t actually take lots of vitamin D if you are not sure if you actually have such a deficiency. This can be checked with blood work.
Your body is actually able to synthesize vitamin D on it’s own when the skin is exposed to the sun. It will then also regulate that the right amount is produced.
Vitamin D is a fat soluble vitamin. This means your body can’t get rid of excess like it can with water soluble vitamin. So if you supplement too much, it can actually get toxic.
If you don’t have a deficit there isn’t a benefit to taking this supplements. You can’t super charge your immune system, even some people try to interpret the sentence you posted this way and actually damage their health by taking insane amounts of supplements.
No, it’s pretty clear what this 15 % are, it’s mainly old people. Old age is in simplistic terms an accumulation of various damages to our cells etc that the body simply doesn’t have the means to repair and that happens simply because of you breathing and living. As the damage accumulates it burdens the whole system and the whole capacity of the body to self repair and defend against sickness is impaired, which further accelerates the accumulation of damage, which further impairs the repair capacity… etc, this is extremely simplified, but I hope you get the picture.
That is why old people have such a higher chance of getting severe cases. It’s not because they don’t eat healthy or have a vitamin deficiency, it’s simply because they are old.
Similar issue is with people who already are sick. If your hull repair is already busy fixing existing structural damage, a sudden appearance of a virus that starts to replicate in your organs and further inhibits the immune system may just completely overwhelm the repair capacity of your body.
There is also always a chance that it can overwhelm a person with a completely healthy immune system without existing condition.
A lot of this people may actually survive if they get medical treatment, but for that to happen you need a functioning health care system. The lockdowns, distancing rules etc where simply in place to make sure the virus doesn’t spread too fast and overwhelm it.
The virus changed now, and most people have a base immunity, even though they can still get sick, the amount of people needing care in hospital is significantly reduced. That’s why we probably don’t need this measures anymore, although the virus is still around, it has become endemic, like many viruses before.
Non of us, including our politicians ever experienced a pandemic before. So the responses where often too late, then drawn out too long, and all over the place. It was pretty chaotic pretty much everywhere. I think even in retrospective, it’s still hard to see what the golden path would have been that would have cost the least lives and caused the least economic damage. It will take years for people to analyze that, since not all countries responded the same way there is a rich set of data that may actually yield some useful learning that may help future generations to respond better in similar situations.
We only get 1 or 2 days of sun in the UK.
Generally I think you’re right. there isn’t a cure for any flu virus or respiratory illness.
This is new, the UK government executing a plan, then listening carefully to feedback and then quickly changing policy based on the negative feedback. Never before have I seen this anywhere, maybe there is hope for us after all.
1% of all cases died.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That is not including the cases that were not diagnosed, but we have seen people with everything being written off as covid victims.
All this panic was made up by people on the top to make a mental slave out of you, also to get money from you, and BTC was not going to save you out of this.
Problems are deeper, the ruling class have to be put to trial and take full responsibility, by all means necessary.
He said badly effected! There are a lot more than 1% that have lasting nerve damage or crippled organs because of this disease.
What makes this theory super convincing is that it’s always the brightest of society who saw right trough this charade and where warning us on social media 
(that was sarcastic, just in case you didn’t notice)
It was below 10k when this started.
Bill gates himself that he have seen a lot of returns on investment in the vacinnes. A lot of those vaccines now have to be destroyed because they are not needed anymore for some reason, while covid is still with us.
You have to create demand first, then you can sell everything, including BTC.
Honestly, you would fit right in with the Bitcoin community, it’s completely crammed with anti-vaxx crackpots. So this scene here is kinda ironic to me.
None of those vaccines seemed all that great. It is hard to be enthusiastic about a vaccine that is so ineffective that you can still get the disease, you can still transmit the disease, and you need a bunch of booster shots. Plus, the only real safety tests were performed by the developers themselves, who have a financial incentive to not notice problems.
Lumping the mRNA spike protein vaccine skeptics in with the “I am not giving my kids the measles vaccine” crowd is silly.
Question if I may. Do you know what T-cell immunity is and what role it plays in the whole story?
I know, you probably just googled it by now. But did you actually hear about this before and understood it? Be honest.
My mother is an epidemiologist and I was briefly in a PhD biophysics immunology program, but I left before completing it. There are several levels of understanding for everything, including T-cell immunity. I am familiar at some level with it.
No, I believe the virus originated in nature. And because some people like to eat wild animals like bats and keep other exotic animals as pets this creates a supply chain. The virus did come from the wet markets because the conditions were poor where you had live and dead wild animals stored very poorly.
Also we cut down trees at an alarming rate to get our pizza boxes which can disturb wild life. Never forget nature is the most powerful unforgiving force in the universe. We were born from nature and it is crucial to our survival, a series of natural processes created this planet.