Theological implications of "Abyssal Deadspace"

This “Abyssal Deadspace” whose existence has recently been revealed, has profound implications, which the official news sources have not really begun to cover.

Consider the universe as a four-dimensional onion. We inhabit one layer of the onion, but of course there are other layers.
At the core of the universal onion is of course God, the Creator, and the core of the onion is of course the plane of Paradise itself.
And between our layer and Paradise are the layers of the Sefrim.
But what lies beyond our layer ? The outer, daemon, layers of the onion.

Now, this Abyssal Deadspace, as I currently understand things, a ship entering Abyssal Deadspace will disappear from our plane of existence through a portal, and enter a weird unknown dimension, before returning.

So, effectively, you leave our layer of the onion. But to where ?

If this abyssal deadspace lies towards the daemon layers of the onion, then entering it has a risk of allowing daemons to manifest themselves into our plane.

Which would surely be a bad thing, ultimately hastening arrival of the End Times.

Therefore, I would suggest extreme caution and make note of any unusual phenomena encountered in this abyssal deadspace.

Things like, hearing whispering voices, growing horns, disturbing dreams, visions of things with tentacles, and other such disturbing phenomena.


but theorized since years by Professor Mayer and backed by gravitation specialists.

yes, the univers is four dimensional.
no, it is not an onion.

The filament technology is not yet out in the public area, but from what I understand, as a gravitation scientist’s stand point, is that this filament allow any ship to find it’s way to the nearest gravitational maelstrom, publicly known as abyssal deadspace.

So you are no more “leaving this plane” than when you use a WH (either in a stargate or natural one)

If you hear this kind of thing I could only recommend consulting a legally certified and trained medical doctor.

Of course if you have question of a scientific nature, please do ask, but I will not answer ones about religious beliefs.


By entering into the “Abyss” as many choose to call it, you are leaving behind the mortal realm and entering into a farther layer of the universe. Some might call it hell, but I choose not to, as it seems different than the descriptions of punishment. There is no fire, no death, simply peace and these Triglavians. That and the Triglavians seem opposed to the Demons that we already know of, the Drifters, who we know inhabit Hell.

This implies that the Abyss is not one of the normal celestial or daemonic planes, but rather a perversion of the concept, a twisted location between the layers that seeks neither good nor evil.

While I agree that it’s appearance is a further sign of the coming Wrath, I believe it may be gods boon. If we are to allow these cleansing agents the Triglavians to wreak havoc and death upon the demonic Drifters, then perhaps we may delay our judgement long enough for the Light to be spread to the rest of Humanity.

Or, you know, it could just be pockets that are completely natural in origin and function, and have no bearing on theology.


This is all speculation. The true meaning of the Abyss is for the Theology Council to decide.

The Theology Council doesn’t have the legitimate authority to decide what to order for lunch, let alone the true meaning of anything.


And for all we know for now, they ARE natural.
they are the opposite of gravitational harmony points, where WH forms.

I even linked to an extensive explanation in my first response.


Considering their track record for things new and exciting, I think we’ll just stick to professional scientific opinion.

They do tend to take a while to make rulings about stuff. Cloning and capsule tech have been around for decades, if not in wide use, and I think they only just issued a ruling about that (basically, us) last year.

Considering how easy it seems to jump to conclusions about “Abyssal Deadspace,” though, I find myself kind of hoping they’re just as careful about this.

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I find myself hoping they just stay shut up about it. Have they weighed in on the theological implications of the existence of dirt yet?


Oh that one’s easy. Soil from Amarr island has no special theological importance, although the amount that pilgrims may obtain is strictly limited, due to the risk of erosion.

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Well … look at it this way, Arrendis: until the Theology Council rules, there’s no set doctrine on such-and-such a topic, which means those of us in the Empire who are looking for a gentler or at least more pragmatic approach don’t have a lot of means to argue with people whose outlook is much harsher. People hold those beliefs dear, and use them as justification for various actions, so it can be pretty important to be able to point to a ruling and say, “No, look, I’m not a spiritually-empty abomination created in defiance of God’s law; I’m a person, just as much as I was before I was ever cloned, and here’s a Council ruling that appears to agree.”

(They do seem to have a little habit of making their declarations just a touch … oblique?)

When discussing important stuff with believers, it helps to have their authorities agreeing with you.

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And when they don’t? When they declare an entire nation to be subhuman, or another to be permanently raised above all others?


yes i agree! triglavians live in our space version of sewers.Therefore they must be hideous even monstrous so we must eradicate them in the name of God

When discussing important things with believers, it’s more honest not to appeal to an authority you don’t recognize as binding on yourself. People can often see that ‘good for me but not for thee’-style hypocrisy.


I don’t think it’s dishonest to point out that someone’s own beliefs call for a certain answer, Arrendis, even if you come to the same or a similar answer by a very different route.

I don’t particularly believe in “souls” as a separate, spiritual existence, but strongly disagree with the belief that there’s something fundamentally inhuman about us. If an Amarrian believer tells me I’m a tragically empty, soulless mannequin, I don’t think it’s wrong to point out the Theology Council has ruled on the subject even if I’m not myself a believer.

There’s no inconsistency in pointing out bends in paths you don’t walk yourself. If there were, it’d be a little hard for political rivals of different factions, for example, to call each other out on their failings.

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You ever notice how well that generally works? Or, more’s the point, doesn’t work? How, when it happens, there’s a lot of accusations of lying and slander? It’s almost like people see that sort of thing as dishonest.


If I were a believer in the Amarr faith, and you tried pointing out to me that the Theology Council says I’m wrong on something, I might just tell you to keep your heathen nose out of my business. I’m certainly not gonna take kindly to some outsider presuming to lecture me on my beliefs.

I mean, heck, you’ve seen that in action on these forums when I point out to the Amarr eggers who claim to want peace that unless they give up the divine mandate to unify humanity, eventually, they have to return to fire and blood. They don’t much like it, do they? They get resentful, they find pretenses to disagree… but if Samira were to say the exact same thing, they’d shut right the feck up.


That might be a lot of why I usually phrase it as a question, Arrendis. Searching for answers leads to a lot of surprising things, sometimes for everyone involved.

Often I think I’m at my weakest when I’m making assertions. It’s a hard habit to break, though. (See? Just made four. Five. Six. Dang.)


Eh, when you already know the answer, that tends to be just as transparent, though.