“Fear the tribes”, you say? But what is there to fear? Who do you think will become afraid? Us, who are both pragmatic and proud, who like to tease the fate and believe that to die with honor is better than live in dishonor? Or Imperials, who are so devoted to the Faith, that becoming a Martyr for their God means becoming Saint or something like that? Their Faith is their largest shield against your primitive useless fear-based attacks, they will bounce it away like a ball.
But even more important question, what is really “The Tribes” could do so scary? Murder some civvies? Steal some slaves?.. Do you realize how larger Imperial Navy is? How stronger is their convinction in their righteouseness than same Tribals who come just to wreak havoc, murder and pillage?..
Or have you forgotted that their allies are… us? With the largest Army and the most modern Navy in the Cluster?
When the full war starts, that will be not their undoing, but yours. For all your crimes they will bring justice in full and will leave no stones unturned. The Republic has no chance, it will cease to exist.
If you care about your survival, about the survival of your tribes, about independence and souvereignty of your Republic - cease and desist.
Otherwise, when you will awoken the Empire, there will be no turning back and no even slightest chance for you.
The Caldari ain’t getting their military involved in ■■■■ if the Amarr and Minmatar go to war. You’re going to be occupied hoping the Federation doesn’t invade.
And do you really think that could be scary?
You terrorists are too silly. Spreading your deathglows, insorums, kyonokes…
That won’t save you when the Navy will come for you. That won’t affect our or Imperial firepower.
You don’t know how supply chains work, do you? Somebody needs to make your ammo, and grow your food. Somebody like civilians who would be dieing from plague back home…
You don’t know how math works? Percentage of civilians is way greater than percentage of military personnel, even in the State, where every civilians actually trained and served as soldiers already. You will cause insignificant damage, way less in comparison of killing same number of active military personnel.
You can tell me with foam at the mouth how your terrorist job is “important”, but in fact… it is not. You are just incompetent amateurs who will melt into puddles whenever you will stumble on a proper combatant.
Not that I ever want to have to resort to such tactics, but I feel that you are severely underestimating just how crippling the efforts of an entire nation employing said tactics can be. I also think you might be slightly underestimating the Republic Fleet.
I think even the Republic Fleet realizes its role is at best to make conquest unpalatably bloody, and only a fool would underestimate them in that capacity, that being said even unaided the Mandate were able to fight them to a standstill.
On the other hand, you warmongers despite all assertions of peaceful intent have been frothing at the mouth to use viral weapons for years. You have not done so, despite your obvious lack of any sense of consequence; which suggests it’s far less easy to engineer such an attack than you claim, that the countermeasures against such things are at least somewhat effective, and the costs would be borne primarily by those within our borders you claim to fight for. Or some combination of those reasons.
In that context only a lunatic would make it a war of annihilation, we have more people, more materiel, more space to give ground if we need to. There is no price that you could either extract quickly enough to avoid terrible retribution, or would console those dwelling in the ashes of the republic and border worlds.
You mean the Mandate were able to fight to a standstill one segment of the Republic Fleet that wasn’t concerning itself with maintaining a deterrent against the main bulk of the Imperial Fleet, guarding against Thukker incursions, or patrolling for Angels and other pirates?
Considering the only person involved in any of these discussions who’s shown an actual proclivity for biochemical attacks (rather than simply pointing out that if pushed, that option is available) is Derp-Duke Chakaid… yeah, we can call him a warmongering frother and a lunatic, sure.
Regarding the use of excessive force on civilian populations? You’re right, I have exactly the same proof as everyone else.
Let’s set aside the fact that of all of the Deathglow attacks, only one came anywhere close to targeting Chakaid or his allies.
Let’s set aside the fact that at least four of the attacks directly attacked his detractors and the people and places they hold dear.
Let’s even set aside the fact that other terrorist attacks were aimed at both the Elkins, and at… I think? the Avarrs[1] almost immediately after capsuleers affiliated with those Holder families denounced him.
Alar Chakaid was in charge of the response efforts in Kahah. Alar Chakaid is the one who ordered civilian population centers shelled with a suborbital artillery bombardment. That is a matter of public record.
And that demonstrates that he has shown a proclivity toward atrocity.
But you’re right: everyone has that evidence. The Amarr are simply too afraid of him to continue saying it.
1. I might be misremembering this one. The attack on the (I think Garion’s?) stables.
That Khanid and Amarr not only condone, but reward atrocity does not make it any less an atrocity. It merely makes it condoned. And it still demonstrates his proclivities.
Without knowing his intentions it demonstrates nothing, my hope would be that the his calculus was based upon deterrence of future instability. But I nor certainly you have Duke Chakaid’s confidence, thus no real information on what his reasoning is, nor what priorities have been assigned to him by his liege.
And I have spoken to neither his reasoning, nor his liege’s priorities. Only the behavior he has shown to be willing to do, and the resulting impact it has had upon his station.
It is an inclination toward. And he has shown, with the complete lack of alternatives attempted, that at the very least, there are specific circumstances where he is clearly inclined to do precisely what he did.
Edit: I mean, spin it however you like. The man used indiscriminate artillery bombardment on children. And he did it after ordering those people herded into and contained in those target zones. It’s not like he ordered an evacuation by having people surrender to the Uhlans and then shelled the ones who wouldn’t turn themselves over and submit to their masters.
If we ignore that a proclivity is a general inclination or tendency to certain behaviour, which is a courtesy you would give nobody else. An inclination toward what precisely? Duty and fealty, severity or pessimism? Neither of have the context to say.
‘proclivity for biochemical attacks’, which you cannot reasonably attribute even one of with any evidence beyond vagaries concerning His Grace’s distaste for several individuals caught up in the attacks, tells us nothing about the Duke of Fabai, and much about you.
No need to spin, pacification can be ugly. But spare me your plastic outrage, death on that scale can only be rationalized numerically. Pointing out there were children among the dead is just more of your usual cynicism.
Hardly. He targeted residential zones. He had the population herded en masse into slave ghettos and shelled. Are we to seriously believe that the majority of the slave population was armed and in open revolt? If so, why did they go into the ghettos?
I have seen death on that scale. I have flown through the middle of death on that scale—millions of people dying in a single sustained action—and, considering fweddit’s actions in Kahah, I have been in that position more than once. Both times I have been working in a futile, maddening attempt to try to save lives. Only rationalized numerically? I have felt the bodies bouncing off my hull.
That you are so blythe about it, and about an Empire where artillery strikes on civilian housing zones is a perfectly laudible first response… that, I think, tells us all we really need to know here.