Today I decided not to play

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So, I’ve been on and off in terms of playing Eve over the years. I usually come back when I feel bored with other games and game genres and play for a while, then leave again. Over ten years so far. This time I feel like I’m either doing things wrong or maybe the game changed - and bizarrely also stayed the same - a bit too much for my taste.

I chose to stay alpha after the last time I was getting back into Eve and CCP tried to pull a mean trick and for some reason, after reading about ganking very often, I decided to test it and see how it actually is. I took a shuttle and set autopilot to Jita. After all, who would gank an empty shuttle, eh? Of course I forgot about the implant drop even chance and was promptly ganked. Not a lot lost, just a couple of tens of millions in cheap implants - I totally got what I was asking for, I guess.

What I found annoying about the situation is that while the crime works flawlessly, the punishment is really not doing well, IMO. To take revenge, I’d have to kill the guy who killed me way more than 10 times because the ship he flies is just about 3,7 mil worth. To have a chance at the kill, I’ll need to invest at least 100 mil to have a chance to catch and kill the ganker. Looking at successful crime punishers, that would be more like 400 million in ship + fitting(+ Omega for cloak).

That’s quite a disbalance compared to a 3,7 mil ship eh? Simply annoying. Not even considering that these are mostly not exactly the main accounts and can log off at the whiff of your presence and continue on any of the other 20 accounts x 3 characters, if needed.

The other thing what really bothers me about this situation is that an entire ship class, which is made specifically for cheap and fast travel, is simply unviable. I actually would expect that the shuttles would be a perfect category to introduce some new eye-candy for each expansion without upsetting any pvp/pve balance, but I guess this isn’t on the table now. After we can’t fly Leopard in high sec, despite it being a really perfect ship for a quick Jita travel to inject some skins, because said 3,7 mil Trasher will kill it out of spite for no other reason and not care about consequences, the same happens to regular shuttles. Pretty grotesque, tbh.

I also remember the times when you could just set an autopilot to Jita and go take a ■■■■ without someone being entitled and fully enabled to ■■■■ on you in your absence in the meantime. Those were good times, tbh.

Well, after that I decided to follow the usual advice and look for a nice quiet corner of high sec to do some missions, just to chill a bit. But I needed a proper ship for that, which I already have and what’s left is to fly it from A to B. But… the route is like 20 jumps and goes through - you may have guessed it - ganker territory.

So after looking at how I need to handle the loadout to not get ganked(the implant drop event is still on and even though I won’t equip any implant those will be counted in as a potential loot, adding to the“safe” threshold), I notice that what should be a 15 minute trip becomes either 45 minutes or even longer than 1 hour.

And this is where I am beginning to nope out. Because just staring at my screen for an hour - after I had to spend 15 minutes checking out zkillboard and looking at the ingame map that does’t offer enough info - and doing absolutely nothing other than pressing a single button every 20 seconds or so isn’t my definition of fun. I know that some of the resident autists will disagree, especially the wormohole dwellers. I respect your opinion, dudes, but this isn’t fun for me.

So, I then remembered an advice the noobs get, when the talk is about getting money in a cheap ship. Exploration. Yeah, I probably will get blown up - but the priiiizeeeee! Countless millions in lucky loot await me. So, being a Gallente-inclined player right from the moment I started this game back in - well, definitely more than 10 years ago - I think I’ll buy me the basic Gallente exploration frigate and go explore some and

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THE FUGG IS THIS!?

After all the amazing remodels over the years this is still in the game unchanged? After all the past years of having no proper PC able to run Eve at full detail, I finally have been enjoing all the pretty graphics in full detail on my laptop during the few short sessions in the last weeks, now this is what I have to put up with on my screen?

In all seriousness, this is a joy killer. When you log in and see your ship you should be motivated to take it out for a ride - this one does the opposite. And after what I’ve decribed above in terms of rather demotivating game experience I feel like I had enough for a day or two or maybe longer.

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So you tested fate, by taking what you know to be an unnecessary risk, and then you are mad about the inevitable consequence?

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I’m dissatisfied with the fact that taking revenge is a very unsatisfying process. I am pretty sure that I described that in detail.

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TL:DR for you: don’t post if you don’t read and don’t care.

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I like where your head is at!

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The Imicus is well-known to be a hideous ship, and a new model is well overdue considering how very common this ship is. But, there are alternatives. Skilling into a Buzzard, which has a significantly better slot layout for exploring anyway, is literally a matter of minutes. Its model is also not updated, but the ship still looks quite alright.

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Fly a cheaper ship. You don’t deserve a free easy revenge.

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easy revenge for an easy gank would be fair, no?

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No, because YOU were the one who made it easy.

You were at fault. That means you do not deserve compensation.

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yeah, I should have paid to win… I mean paid for a scout account and a webber and a repper to keep my overtanked ship on my next trip through high sec safe(or hardware to run an alpha account for that - or two or more…)

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You should just not fly such an expensive ship, since you are not willing to be responsible or fly it appropriately. When you fly an expensive ship or have an expensive pod, you receive benefits, and you need to be responsible for managing your risk. Your opponent is flying a 4 million isk ship and killing you. That means you did something wrong. I don’t have this problem, because I never even fly a ship as expensive as you. Why are you doing this? I suggest you practice with cheaper ships, like t1 frigates, until you are able to survive in Highsec.

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Therein lies the problem. EVE has never been a game where you can “just chill in”.

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Expensive ship? it was a SHUTTLE. :joy: :joy: :joy: Sorry that I undocked :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Maybe the game is not for you?

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You aren’t 100% wrong, but the bar for getting in danger was much higher in high sec back in the day. Only something like 10 bil officer fit faction ships sitting afk for hours on a gate would be at high risk. If you wanted it spicier low and null were there. Today we’ve got wormholes, trig space and that new weird station for the risk seekers.

Meanwhile you can’t safely fly a shuttle through high sec.

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Ok, I get your point. I’ve lost a Leopard and quickly learned.

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Tbh, I think that may be the case. Over the years I heard “get a scout advice” quite increasingly often in topics like these but I feel like I would prefer to keep it at only one and now we are at just “not for you”. So yeah, I guess you may be right. I have enough room on my SSD for EVE to let it sit there just in case and alpha costs nothing to stare at the pretty pictures once a month.

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It sounds like you need to get back to basics.

Try enrolling at E Uni and take a course on jumping gates and warping.

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Not busting your butt, move more carefully when alone.

I’m never right, just blunt. Play at your own pace, just remember there are always and I mean always someone out there looking to pop you.

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Hey the title says “Today”, does this mean you might play tomorrow? I won’t be here tomorrow, got invited to a Halloween party. I am going as a pirate, since I lost my left leg below the knee last year. That solves “faking it” right?

Yes, that happens. However from what I am seeing, you are price quoting some very inexpensive ships ( even from an alpha player point of view) I think you just need to review what you are trying to accomplish with the game.

This is pretty low budget, first I’d take the time to get skilled for combat. While I would rather get omega for PVP combat, it isn’t implausible to PVP alpha as long as you are willing to risk loss. If your ganker is flying something worth 4 million or less – I have flown ventures worth 12 million – then you need to look at going cruiser or battle cruiser to take him out. Those run 30 to 45 million + parts.

I know you will say, I can’t afford 50 million ISK. Then you are not playing the game correctly. Here is a list of stuff to do to make 50 million ISK and the time to make it;

  • mining kernite - lots of places buy this at 850 per unit, 1 load 20 minutes is 3 to 4 million.
  • mining gas - if you can find Lime gas it sells for more than 100,000 ISK per unit, if memory serves the alpha mining scoops gather it at 2 units per minute. That’s 1 million per 5 mins.
  • short haul contracts - take a contract to haul something a short distance ( 20 jumps or less ) you will need to put up collateral.
  • career agents - one school has 45 missions and there are a total of 12 across the entire game. Each one gives out 10 million ISK in reward + free ships + parts. Do all 12 and you have 120 million ISK.
  • Play the market - I do this, it is the slowest, but I never have to leave the station.

Auto pilot is auto suicide. I never do it. Learn where the gankers are and just avoid them by using a custom route. If you allow robbie the robot to fly your ship, chances are you won’t make it to market. For example; I am Amarrian and there is a choke point at Ahbazon. I avoid this and use either Olettiers or Vecamia systems as a bypass. Also as I said, 20 jumps is short. Use the map tools, at the bottom stats show how many ships are getting whacked in any system.

I never did much “exploring” but you do as you see fit. I wasn’t here 10 years ago, but it is a game you still can cause havoc in for free. Incase no one told you, omega can be obtained for 500 plex and plex is sold in the market for ISK 5 to 6 million each, you need to make between 2.5 to 3 billion per month.

Good luck!

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