Triglavian collective - known facts - UPDATE 21/08/120


(Kalaratiri) #171

Because not all Drifter BS have superweapons. Look up the Arithmos Tyrannos.


(Arrendis) #172

If they wanted to learn more about the entosis link, wouldn’t there be something in the testing grounds that, I dunno, responds to the entosis link?

Really, the more I think about this setup, the less I think it’s our tech they’re testing.


(Borascus) #173

I think that the idea of Drifters diving through the Abyssal exterior can be ruled out thanks to the residual effects of their overshield going off, as there is no evidence.


(Arrendis) #174

Now now, let’s remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It’s just absence of evidence. We can’t draw any conclusions, including ruling things out.


(Corraidhin Farsaidh) #175

By the way, did you get your hair cut?


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(Umbre Fallenstar) #177

thanks to ARC’s efforts, we have more informations to grind on:

  • we know more about the organisation of the Triglavian (more than 3 Subclades by Clade, hierarchy, etc)
  • we know they use entosis tech, definitely proving they also use infomorph tech. Still no definitive answer on their biology.
  • we learn also a bit about “how they name Factions”
  • CONCORD lifted the suspect flag for deep AD.
  • it seem that sansha nation is trying to get TC technology.
  • it is confirmed that they are testing us, still not known if only in a scientific way or it it is to establish contact

(Nana Skalski) #178

So I had few thoughts myself about the Abyssal space and Triglavian culture.


(Umbre Fallenstar) #179

First, let me thank you for your input !

While I agree with most of what you said, I’m forced to set a precision: it’s not because a planet do not harbour life naturally that it can’t have been colonized, we, capsuleers do it all the time on plasma, barren, gas, etc in K-space.
Even if life is not naturally present, given the technological level Triglavians show, it is possible they have installation on planets.

While it remains a possibility, I do not think it is the case. If they are indeed systems in formations, we would encounter only white stars, but we do encounter yellow and even red ones, meaning those “stars” are old. Which is incompatible with an accretion disk.

I’m sticking with my theory of pockets of gravitational maelstrom existing since a very long time. A “normal” system, even in formation, would not allow exotics particules and dark matter to be generated like this.

In the same fashion, if we indeed were in an accretion disk, we would not encounter “spikes” because everything would have been rounded by collisions and worse, in the case of “crystals”, such giant-sized cristals could only be formed in a high pressure environnement which is far more compatible with a gravitational maelstrom model.

Given the highly possibility that they are “proving” us, it’s far more likely that we only saw a fraction of their “territories”. At first I was also convinced that their were a migrant civilization. But as time pass, I’m less and less convinced. At first we thought that we were limited in time because of the pocket collapsing. But recent update in the aura-systems show that it is in fact our warp core that disintegrate.

It is therefore possible that the “filaments” are in fact highly specialized mutaplasmid taking control of our warp engine.

If there is no time limit, then you can, as I said earlier, settle on planets, asteroids, etc.

I do not remember where I talked about it, but given the energy levels in AD, food is not a problem. With the kind of energy they have, if you have the time to develop the tech, it may even be to manufacture the elements you need by alternating nuclear fission and fusion.


(Umbre Fallenstar) #180

no new information or development on the triglavian side?


(Annisir Kaugan) #181

Not really. Nothing from the Triglavians themselves. Still curious about the possibility of a fourth clade, research is ongoing into how the filaments work, that might prove productive.


(Umbre Fallenstar) #182

a fourth clade? what would support this? I’m not that into group-research so I may have missed something.

For the filament, I’m also working on it.


(Annisir Kaugan) #183

There a suit with a fourth symbol, not Veles, Perun or Svarog. Whether its a fourth clade, or belongs to one of the sub clades we dont really know.


(Umbre Fallenstar) #184

thanks you very much for this information.


(Kuba Ganowski) #185

Only right way. Only Freedom can show you Light. Only with Light you can reach Timeless.

Other ways are for weak heads like war dec.

No offence.


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(Umbre Fallenstar) #192

@Kuba_Ganowski and @Corraidhin_Farsaidh
Sirs, I have flagged your posts as off topic. Thanks for your comprehension.

Back on topic: I have been isolated for a few days planet side ( new laboratory to set up) and only got distant reports of the new aegis report. No news about who/what did those kidnapping?


(Melisma Ramijozana) #193

Well, we’re supposed to be very afraid of them, for sure. But no, we still don’t know who ‘they’ are.


(Arrendis) #194

‘They’ are clearly agents of Aldrith Shutaq, attempting to board Republic ships in order to prevent those ships from attacking sa-Baron Chalk-outline so he doesn’t become a martyr until Vlad Cetes single-handedly assassinates him by slapping him with a tar-covered palm, or something.

Makes as much sense as any of the rest of the speculation, right now.


(Kithrus) #195

I’ve taken to a bit of diving myself and I can’t help but agree with people’s perceptions that it’s a trial by combat.

Perfectly folded space time pockets with nothing we can lock a warp tunnel to?

I’ve always felt like the jove took an interest in seeing how we cope with capsuleer tech, I don’t see why another advanced race isn’t keen on making us run a rats maze.

That said I must point out that Drifter overshields going down are what triggers the DD. The ones I found in the abyss were damaged. Either it was already expended or the ship forced itself into the abyss and was too damaged to repair.

Secondly the jove towers, someone have a list of notes from them handy? I have a feeling they can see into the abyss at lest partially and some of those entries may make more sense now.


(Annisir Kaugan) #196

Collected fragments from Observatories.

https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/5899067/

Wonder if its worth another look?

Both Drifter and Triglavian ships in the Abyss are found damaged, it’s likely that at least some of that damage is from combat with each other. Although Trig ships get repair bonuses so there is a hole in that logic. Their technologies are in some ways better than our own, or different. Might be that they can somehow last longer in the Abyss as opposed to simply being able to traverse it unmolested by the vagaries of that space. So the Drifters begin to take damage from the crushing depths and that blows the overshield thus triggering their DD.
Drifter ships are not really flown by intelligent pilots. My research, and others, suggest an infomorph intelligence operating a puppet on the main ship and slaving other ships from that. A good way to explore dangerous space if you don’t have many available clones. Which points to a lot of automation on the ship, and that shows when you fight a lot of them. The Overshield/DD combo is most likely automatic, but could have been triggered by a couple of factors.
Their technology not being perfect could be why the Triglavian ships are all biased towards remote repair. Thinking about it, also why their weapons, and, from the look of it, their logistics, ramp up in strength. The Rogue Drones appear to use filaments to enter Abyssal Deadspace, they have been found in Dronelands sites. I’m not sure about the Drifters; they have some interesting space travel technology but the Triglavians don’t use filaments. They seem to enter by other means and set up an exclave. Maybe they use some kind of acceleration gate to approach a location in Deadspace, something like the Eve gate, or a Drifter wormhole, but like the Eve gate in that you take damage as you get closer. So their power systems are designed to be adaptive. They could be using some phenomena like the ‘dead storms’:-

"Detorid marks “the edge of the once great Jove Empire” and is home to dead storms.
_ Dead storms are “yet to be discovered elsewhere. They appear randomly, centered around certain planets and ravage the area for days and then abruptly vanish.”_
_ “Current theory points to them being tears in the fabric of space, why they exist in the first place or the reason focal point around certain planets remains a mystery and will no doubt do so for some time yet.”


(Umbre Fallenstar) #197

((up just to prevent the topic being locked

because of IRL work I didn’t had the time to do everything I wanted before the new year ><
I hope to be able to publish some things soon ))