Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread)

No, that’s not what I’m saying at all, Ms. Kernher. I think the Amarr are on a natural social evolution to reaching this path themselves, it’s on the rest of us to help them achieve it sooner. It’s a strange aberration that prevented Amarr society from dropping slavery while most other societies have dropped it wholesale, if they had it at all. It’s not the Amarr society is made of sociopaths, it’s just how Amarrian society evolved. The rest of us zigged, Amarr zagged.

If it makes you feel any better, the Federation has a thing for Imperialist expansionism that I despise.

Well, that’s a little better.

I hope so. I was being sincere.

It is supposed to alter the person. It is supposed to break them down, so that when they stand up again, it is free of their sins and better than they were when they fell. It is supposed to hurt, because we cherish our sins and fear parting from them. We love freedom, but freedom is an incredibly dangerous thing that not everyone can be responsible with it. Until we have learned how to control our wickedness, we need protection from it, and to protect others from it. Slavery provides, or should provide, an ordered life, where you are restrained against all the evil things your impulses drive you to do. Where you can thrive in service and trust that those above you will know right and will put you to your best use.

If the person you are dealing with is as at least as rational as you, shares many or all of the same values towards friends, family and humanity in general as you, why would you need to rely on slavery to force them to change their mind on anything? Your slaves are human, plead with them to change their minds in the marketplace of free ideas. That is what you’ve told me that you have been working for this whole time, a new way of enacting the Reclaiming?

Slavery provides, or should provide, an ordered life, where you are restrained against all the evil things your impulses drive you to do. Where you can thrive in service and trust that those above you will know right and will put you to your best use.

Can this not be done without the imposition of slavery?

The problems in slavery, come from when you let someone that is corrupt and wicked be the master, when such a person should be the slave.

The problem is that any human should presume that they are wise, temperate and knowledgeable enough to be another human’s master. If you pledge yourself and your allegiance to someone, that’s fine. You have made a decision as much as a free agent as one can be in this universe. We all need something bigger than ourselves, some of us are content with family, nation or maybe simply the next game of MindClash. Others need something more, such as deities and divine inspiration. It’s just not okay to force that on others, and I do believe the Amarr are starting to come around to that conclusion. Running head-on to reality hasn’t helped, I’m sure.

And perhaps there is too much wickedness in mankind for the system to work the way it should.

Slavery doesn’t work because humans generally resent being slaves.

But that’s really the error most people get in opposing slavery, I find.

So, if slavery can’t work because people are too wicked, then the justification for slavery by the Amarr falls apart.

But what we share isn’t wisdom and purity, what we share is our capacity for sin.

If by sin you mean causing unnecessary harm to another human then yes I guess I might agree with you? If you’re talking about some transcendent beyond the physical shortcoming with some deity then I don’t agree as I’m not sure that such a thing even exits. I believe I stated as much a couple of months back.

Those with undeserved power and freedom should be brought down.

Hear, hear! but the next bit about faith and deeds I’m a bit iffy on. Deeds I agree with, one can only be judged through ones actions, but faith? As you know, whenever the word faith pops up I tend to start asking what the person saying it means; is faith belief, an act, or something else? The last time I asked you about defining faith you told me this:

There you told me what the Destiny of Faith is, which I thought was very intersting. It didn’t really answer what faith was, but a walk of faith, which I believe is correct terminology? Let’s assume that there is something, out there, worthy of faith. Is slavery a necessary component? If something is worth believing in would you even need to force someone to believe in something that they should naturally want to believe in?

And maybe slavery hasn’t proven itself the right system for developing that, because of the failures of those who we should have been able to be trust to govern right and true, but that is what it was supposed to do. It is supposed to respect human life and dignity, because it is supposed to develop a good life and teach dignity.

Or perhaps, slavery is the wrong way to do anything? Otherwise it wouldn’t be slavery.

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