Spooky, I was wondering the same. The extreme narcissism, etc, etc.
No
Itâs very easy to see if someone biomassed, that character is NOT biomassed.
Well yes. Eve has been dying since 2003, miners have always been lazy and whining and Gankers have always been assholes. The whole forum is nothing but circular raging, nothing new there.
But please, keep attacking the character and not the message. It just shows that you ran out of options. Where has all the miner rage gone from the changes hmm? Looks like itâs mostly gone, I wonder why that is.
You sound resentful and in denial. Throwing unsupported accusations. Basing arguments on logical fallacies. Calling everyone lazy liars and trolls. Then suddenly surprised pikachu, âwhy you attack my character?â
People stopped arguing with you, doesnât mean youâve won.
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As a REACTION to their obvious âbut change is scary, I canât afk any moreâ. Feel free to check any reply I made that is snarky, itâs ALWAYS to someone doing baseless whining or similar. Anyone who types out a normal post gets a normal reply. If people present a valid question or concern they get a valid answer, if they present an obvious (if possibly disguised) whine, they get what they deserve.
You seem to do it fine together with Vort:) Also, and I said this several times now, the raging stopped in ALL threads. Itâs pretty much quiet now because a) people realised they didnât actually understand residue, b) they realised that they have more options for ships (and options are good) and c) that even though there are downsides (residue being one) the OVERALL update is a giant buff.
They didnât need me to figure that out, all they needed was time and to stop listening to the echo chamber that is uninformed mining corps and groups, because those generally do nothing but spread factless nonsense.
âYes itâs an overall buff, no residue is not taken from your yield but it does affect how afk you can be and still be optimised, yes you now have more ships to choose than just Procurerâ. That is literally the answer to pretty much 90% of the posts in this thread.
Thatâs decidedly not the case. You are wrong whatever you say. I stopped pointing out issues because CCP has enough to do as it is and with Ratttati at the helm they will just continue to ignore them.
Residue does not serve any positive purpose. Instead of implementing this feature and telling people that they now have a âchoiceâ, they could have also just implemented 35% less new ore and everyone would have been more happy because they donât have to see the vanish into the ether while they mine it. That would have had the same impact on the economy and it would not have created such resentment and it would have cost CCP much less development effort. Win-win-win.
This was never the case. NEVER. And whoever says that it was is just lying. I have mined in high sec in Mackinaws and Skiffs, as well as in Procs and Covetors in null sec for a long time. And so have thousands of characters. Matter of fact is that the Proc in particular is now much less viable for anything, and has effectively been removed from the pool of suitable mining ships. Repeating the idiocies that CCP exudes doesnât make them right. Itâs just that: repeating idiotic talk.
Hence: You are just wrong. You are as wrong as the Your Year In EVE video is wrong. (thanks CCP for this meme)
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No true scotsman.
Or people quit.
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Find one then.
But if you KNOW that it doesnât make any difference then whatâs your issue. The only people it affects are the ones who arenât paying attention, because if you DO pay attention and act according, youâre not getting the lowered overall yield from residue.
Meaning that active miners do better than inactive ones, so the only people complaining about this are either still not aware on how it actually works OR they are the inactive/afk miners. And inactive miners are the reason why active ones donât get the rewards for their efforts, as they have to compete with afk armies driving the prices down.
Of course you have lower yield because of residue because it literally removes the ore of the rock from under your feet. Unless if you use a T1 miner (but then you lose yield thanks to the lower cycle time) or a ridiculously overpriced faction miner (a single loss destroys days of mining). All in all: Residue kills yield. And on top of that it creates negative feelings because you see stuff disappearing without you being able to do anything against it and it does not create any positive experiences.
You do realize that AFK miners with drones donât care much, right? They are AFK and do other things while their drones shuffle stuff in. With the residue, these drones actually remove ore that would have been available to âactiveâ miners while the AFK miners just keep on doing what they are doing. Thatâs supposed to help active miners or create better experiences? Really funny.
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There is a reason those 70-80% of people are picking their choise. Even if just to feel good. It is their meaningful choice framed by the game developer.
CCP makes you consciously go suboptimal losing time or losing ore. Lose-lose.
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I understand what youâre saying and I understand the reaction to a degree but it still is unrealistic whining when it comes to EVE.
If you do combat you lose applied dps due to sig and speed/angular velocity and in many cases it can be a whole lot. If you reprocess you have loss. Some bonuses from modules have diminishing returns, if you trade you have to pay taxes, if you do PI you pay taxes. There are lots and lots of (isk) sinks and whatnot all over EVE. Itâs everywhere, yet somehow people are ok with that (even though they may not like it).
They give you a choice: pay attention and, depending on the crystals you use, choose to stop before thereâs a chance of residue to pop the roid and avoid possible overall yield loss OR donât do that and just mine till itâs gone BUT with increased chance of residue issues.
The thing is of course that is many cases all these elaborate issues people come up with about why itâs bad are really just smoke and mirrors. Because their actual issue is âI canât afk anymore and be optimisedâ, but most will never admit to that. And as long as people are lying about that Iâll point it out, which people (obviously) donât like being called out on.
You can still afk just fine but you canât time it as easily as you used to and you might lose overall yield because of your choice to not pay attention. Thatâs it, thatâs literally it. Be honest, itâs a whole lot of raging about nothing.
Reprocessing loss and market taxes are still there. They are double taxing miners with waste mechanics. Triple with compression loss as it was announced earlier.
I loved Resource Wars sites. Every single rock had half-cycle worth of ore. How about that antiAFK mechanic? Now you would lose all that ore to waste, as waste counts first.
Or the actual issue is scarcity never ending, and prosperity turning out to be a lie.
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They increased the overall ore, they increased yield for most ships, they increased oreholds, they increased EHP for most ships. The only negatively affected ships are the ones AFKers use. Itâs almost as if that was the plan!
This is no different from CCP doubling the dps on heavy missiles, increasing their range, increasing the ammo capacity BUT they tell you thereâs a 40% chance on the last missile to do no damage, but overall you still do FAR more due to doubling the base dps. And people canât stop whining about the âwhat about that 40% chance of loss!!!â.
Itâs like itâs never enough: get 9 buffs and 1 nerf and people canât stop whining about that 1 nerf and not realise they can GET those 9 buffs partially because of that 1 nerf. Itâs literally like trying to reason with toddlers. So, the folks still crying either donât understand how it works, they are toddlers or they are afkers.
The first one I have no issues with, the last two I do. HTFU. And Iâll again leave it at that because âno uâ threads are silly.
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I understand your position. If you started during scarcity. But when they cut 90% of ore and deleted belts in null they promised scarcity will eventually end. People only had to wait.
Now they doubled available ore, so itâs not 10%, but 20% of pre-scarcity level. And they call is substantial and call it prosperity. Is it really though?
Look up âoverjustification effectâ.
So they fought stockpiles people had. It now looks this whole âplanâ was - âwe need veteran players to quitâ. Itâs disaster game design.
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Sorry to come back on my promise to stay out of it but this one just has me stumped.
Scarcity happened for a reason and then they said that scarcity will end after two years. Did people REALLY think that it would go exactly back to normal as it used to be? Because in THAT case it would all go sour again just as it did before and nothing would have been solved (and actually, probably, resulting in another future scarcity). That makes no sense.
I honestly canât understand people who really do think that way. Yes scarcity would end but it obviously wonât go back to the exact state that forced them to inflict scarcity in the first place.
Ore availability is irrelevant after industry changes. Pre-scarcity or not, minerals are not bottleneck resource anymore.
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They were told Rorquals would break the economy. They let it happen. When they announced scarcity they were told it would punish other stratas of players more. They went with it.
Abundance breeds Complacency and Scarcity breeds War
Predictable Inputs lead to Stagnant Outputs
Autarky is Anathema to Free Trade
Unwarranted enthusiasm, uncritical acceptance, growing concern, unmitigated disaster, search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent and promotion of the uninvolved.
Its chaos era⌠at CCP.
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Scarcity happened for a very good reason, all of scarcity: not just the ore bit. It all had gotten silly and out of hand. The reset was needed, if painful.
In another thread I said I trust CCP to be Chaotic Neutral: Accept that they do or try stuff, accept that they nerf of buff stuff, accept that they change stuff for seemingly no valid reason, accept that they let OP stuff cause havoc for years.
If one chases FOTM ships, playstyles or activities one should have the insight that itâs probably not going to last. Then again, it can take years before CCPâs evil eye of Sauron gazes in your direction but you can see it coming. Besides, change is good.
You can rage about all that or just accept it and if having taken advantage of any of it just accept that you were part of the reason it needed changing.
Me myself Iâm past bittervet: a True Neutral. Itâs the only way to keep playing without raging, rage quitting or crying 
I diversified my playstyles and make sure to avoid FOTM stuff, or at least assume and accept it to change at any time.
CCP isnât going to get me down.
People were expecting something new and visionary from CCP. Especially after CCP had just told everyone that decoupling one thing from another to be able to manage both better and donât harm one thing when changing another would be the best way to fix problems. But what does CCP do? They donât reintroduce the resources with new mechanics that they can manage properly and adjust as needed without impacting the baseline mining. No, they just shoehorn everything into the existing system â just like in the old days. Thatâs beyond stupid. Itâs lazy, unoriginal and unimaginative. And on top of that it was loaded with bugs just as per usual.
Whether you accept or resent change is completely besides the point. What matters is that I (I donât speak for other people categorically) better from CCP because they keep promising us pie in the sky but when it comes to delivery it turns out itâs turd in the sewer. CCP had all the potential to do something unique that showed that they are willing to develop EVE and not just maintain it.
People have been telling CCP ever since they started to think about, among many other horrible changes, of turning Rorquals into superpowered mining machines that this was wrong and what damage it would cause. CCP ignored all of these warnings for years. We are not part of the problem. They are the problem. Thank you, though, for showing that you are just as deranged as CCP by blaming the players for the problems that CCP introduced, maintained, made worse and didnât fix until it was way too late â and then started to blame on the players.
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You whine about everything and anything, all the time in all posts. Regardless of the subject. Nonstop.
Canât take people like that serious.