It’s not dying. People who refuse to leave High-Sec never really contributed anything to the game or its community in the first place.
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Those aren’t even the problem here. It’s those who can’t even accept that there is a major change in HS trade, not even for the worse, with changes in trade lanes and movement of goods between tradehubs.
If the only thing they know is moving Stuff from Amarr to Jita and back, than it’s obviously a problem. Everyone else sees the chance in making their profit now on the change back to multicentric trade.
I can’t help but think that all this boils down to a simple question that really only CCP can answer:
Is “casual” play a legitimate way to play this game? Or perhaps more pointedly, does CCP want to sustain casual-friendly gameplay as a part (not the ONLY part, or even a MAJOR part, but a legitimate part) of what Eve is?
(Btw, I define “casual” mostly in having the time available. An hour a day or less person is just not going to be able to respond in any meaningful way when it comes to situations like Niarja. And if they try, they basically have to sacrifice all their normal gameplay for an activity they possibly don’t even enjoy and so their limited time playing a game is spent doing something unenjoyable. That is not an appealing prospect, I hope we’d all agree.)
If the answer is yes, I think the Trig invasions were a bad idea in retaining those players. They may want to rethink this.
But if the answer is no, then they should keep this up and continue to define what kind of game, and therefore what kind of player, they’re looking for. But the pontificating from players themselves as to what kind of players are or aren’t “good for the game” is just tiresome and in the end, irrelevant, because this will be determined by what kind of player CCP is looking for.
And there isn’t a moral judgment in either directions. Just, what does CCP want?
Again, I’m just a little tired of people on both sides pontificating on what Eve is and therefore the other guy is wrong, although I have my own opinions on who is being more egregious in that department 
Maybe someone should do an analysis on CCP’s marketing so that if the “carebear” lifestyle is validated, then that lends credence to that side. Yet if there’s nothing in the marketing that points toward that style, buts it’s ALL “shooty shoot, blap blap” for tears… well then we know what Eve is all about as per the creator’s own description.
Maybe I’ll look into that myself :-). Don’t hold your breath for the write-up, though!
I agree with that. EVE is many things precisely because of the differences between HS, LS, NS and WH space. The main problem is that this event is causing overlap between these completely separate worlds. CCP also didn’t expect this level of player participation. Nor that players on both sides would run themselves ragged for a percentage tick on a bar. Guess they didn’t pay attention to what happens during high intensity conflicts in faction wars.
What?
A casual player does not need a direct short connection between Jita and Amarr.
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This might be true, but how do you know it’s true? I consider myself a casual player, but I still have goals and if something suddenly made those goals just that much more difficult and I felt like I didn’t have the ability (again, due to time constraints) to positively affect that outcome, then I could understand being frustrated.
You heard me.
How are they “completely separate”?
Mentality differences.
Ok, so you’re just a troll. Got it. Make it clearer next time so people don’t have to waste their time.
I am direly serious. Someone from Highsec who has never left it is going to view the game very differently than I do, since for me as a Lowsec player the main purpose and fun was fighting the Amarrians in the FW zone. Meanwhile the mentality of a Nullsec player is going to differ from both of those, and the mentality of a wormholer certainly differs from all of the above. But you can continue to write off anyone who disagrees with you as a troll if that aids you in maintaining your skewed perspective.
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can i have your isk ?
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For 17 years. Takes way to long to kill the likes of you apparently.
Clever little oxymoron you got there.
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Being advantaged by the rules don’t mean that there is no PvP.
That’s wrong. You can get attacked as soon as you are undocked. So unless you are pretending that the targets of ganks asked for it, that’s again just wrong.
Lol… Now you don’t even make sense from a logical stand-point.
On one hand you have people telling you that everything can be PvP.
On the other hand, you have yourself, who pretend that only some kind of PvP is true PvP and the rest is not.
So, basically, the amount of things you consider to be PvP is smaller than what they do consider as PvP.
And you pretend that they are the ones with a “narrow vision”?
Please tell me that you realise that it’s just complete nonsense.
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Tooth aches??
Those are bad feelings. Hard feelings is when somebody stand really really close to you.
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Blockquote The players crying about Niarja are players who don’t want any risk during an Amarr-Jita trip, whether Trigs, gankers, or whatever.
That is not a 100% highly accurate but there are other considerations to take into account. For many players there are 2 routes that can be used by freighters to get to Jita and that is Uedema and Niarja. By removing the Niarja route that is forcing all freighter pilots to use that one system.
Ganking has always been a fine balance… you gank to much industrialists and freighter pilots aka HS Carebears get realllllly ***ed off some leave the game out of frustration and just refuse to do stuff for a “cool period” as they are highly annoyed. Saying that if there is no ganks then the average T1 ship production diminishes dramatically for the gankers buying/replacing their ship anbd the gankee who has lost their ship.
When you had Niarja and Uedema you had a 50/50 chance of the potential of running into gankers however with that been removed all freighters are now using that one system which has caused 100s of billions to be lost in that system with a lot of freighters dying. Yes blockade runners can be used instead but that requires anywhere upto potentially 10x the amount of runs and if you cost that into the pricing of you T1/T2 ships and equipment would you really want to pay 10x the price.
I do feel that these trig incursions are getting rammed into HS players faces with a lot of players wanting and others not wanting it however CCP decide where these invasions are going to happen and choosing systems that have a high strategic value to HS freighting where you know that is it was fall would increase ganking 100 fold and have such a negative impact on the players who aren’t PvE trained and you do need to be trained or you just die in seconds just adds insult to injury
Was only meant to be a small post sorry about the rant but i have tried to see both sides of the argument so to summarise all i am saying is fair enough on the trig invasion its a good idea in theory however more thought needs to be into it on the systems CCP are deciding to take where the new players and HS only players can at least do a bit of a work around to get past any of the invasions.
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Hey, do you know how to get to Jita???
