Well the wardec table IS the high risk table, in this scenario you’re complaining that the high stakes table has a buy-in you can’t afford so it should be lowered, if you want a cheaper buy-in you start a mutual war or you join FW, you seem to think that wardecs are the kiddies pool of content, when thats actually FW
If you want to sit at the big kids table you need to bring your own chair
If you’re not in a position to defend the infrastructure you’re deploying, then you really have no business deploying it, i’m sure you’re familiar with the golden rule of even that states “Don’t fly what you cannot afford to lose”, the same applies to stations, if you can’t defend it against the people who might want to remove it, then you probably shouldn’t be deploying it
You’re confusing a few things here, what they WANT is for people to be able to join player corps without fear of being randomly wardecced, which is what the changes achieve, you seem to think it should in some way make it so you don’t have to pay the same buy-in everyone else does in order to be able to wardec people, its like playing an MMO and complaining that enabling your PvP flag gets you killed by someone bigger than you
You either meet the minimum requirements to join the party or you don’t join the party, its just that simple
Actually no that is not what I am saying at all. I’m saying that the risk being the same for all, the mega corp sharks and the little guys is the problem. I’m not necessarily saying cheaper…nor FW…
There is more then just two sizes…or at least there should be if what CCP wants is to be believed.
Actually that was achieved last iteration with just having to own a higher-ish end object in space…
Nowhere have I said that.
Also not what I’ve said.
So then you want a one size fits all solution that works equally well for the massive WarDec farmers as it does for the 4 man corp that just put-up their first Rataru. Ya, that wont be abused at all. (too late!)
Only the Sith deal in absolutes…oh wait, wrong game…
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It’s a shame that my point that the risk is not properly distributed.
Did no one consider that a mega-corp//alliance has much much less risk/cost to declare many wars, than a single small company has to declare even one war?
How is that supposed to encourage small corps to declare wars on larger corps?
And there is, 3 tables total infact, you have the lowest end easiest to enter table called factional warfare, then you have the mutual wardec system which requires you find a willing corp to fight with but is free and feels like the adult wars, and then there is the rest of the wardecs, which require you to have a station to defend
You seem to want to swim in the biggest pool without having actually paid your entry fee to said pool, you have 2 smaller sized pools to play in until you’re ready for the adult pool
If you put up a station then you are accepting that you can become a target, as i have said multiple times, if you cannot defend the station you are deploying then you really don’t have any business deploying it in the first place, wars are quite literally opt-in, if you don’t deploy a station then you don’t get wardecced, its just that simple, you really don’t seem to understand how this all actually works
As i’ve now explained to you, full fat wardecs require you to meet the minimum requirements of owning a station, if you don’t want to do that then you can either have a half-fat war (mutual) or a diet war (FW), you just have to accept the consequences of the size you choose to order
And the best part of this all? We have said to bears this is precisely what will happen. But they said dismissed any criticism as stupid… yes, I am talking about lorelei and dracvlad - good luck fighting “Wardeccers United”
I also see feeder corps with over 4K members in them and no war eligibility…
Which actually translates as “Stop reminding me that there are lower tiers of warfare because i want to play with the big boys without actually risking anything”
While true, in the past it meant not doing much more than fleets with other people… It was not a good system. Not that what we have today (4K member corps with no structures) is good…
No you’re right, we’re also talking about how you feel entitled to access content that you don’t meet the minimum requirements for, or that because you’re a “small corp” you should be able to wardec a massive one for less than it costs them, a war is a contract and that contract has a set fee, should you get a discount on selling items because you only sell a few items compared to the person selling hundreds a day? should you get some sort of discount on barges because you’re a small time miner compared to the guy with his orca fleet?
You seem to think balance needs to exist in something that isn’t actually broken, even IF they made it cost them more to declare wars, like they did in the past, that extra cost becomes trivial to a group of that size so doesn’t actually change anything in the least and just pointlessly complicates a system that really doesn’t need to be complicated in the first place, what difference does it make to you if it costs 1000 people a total of 1bil to dec you compared to your 10 people costing 100mil, because thats still 10mil per person and still stupidly trivial to make
When you reach that scale you’re able to make hundreds of millions in a single hour so increasing the cost does literally nothing but complicate war cost calculations, at the end of the day you haven’t demonstrated WHY it needs to be changed lol
Whenever you’re dishonest, I’ll be there to keep you in check.
Totally agree. Which is why i was the strongest supporter of social corps since it was suggested by someone else in 2013/14ish.
But making the defining point of wardec eligibility structures was a huge mistake.
Too many benefits of being in a corp and no extra risk to offset it. The quality of corps is going down fast and it’s getting harder and harder for players to find a good home with good leadership. It’s too easy to set up a corp for yourself and alts and ignore working with others.
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