I don’t believe that, at least in Eve Online, I have the power to change anything (including Brisc’s demeanor). I have my opinions on it all; I expect it to fall on deaf ears. So I voice my thoughts, and I’m off to the next thing.
In terms of Brisc, I don’t agree with his approach to people and find him brusque and rude, but such traits are respected well enough that he got voted into the CSM role. So really, the cause is that those personality traits are desirable in our representatives.
Procurer in lowsec! Must go die to bait! fades into the void of space…
That is your opinion. Deal with it. I voted for Brisc and will keep doing so to anyone I see fit. Stop whining.
I am greatly amused that some people think that the CSM’s role in EVE development is anything other than playing the role of a spouse or mother in law sitting in the backseat of a car watching someone else drive. You can ■■■■■, wine, cajole, advise, plead, or even scream, but the EVE developers driving the vehicle of change are going to arrive at the destination of their choosing by the way they want. They at least get to tell them face to face “see, the CSM was right”; the rest of us just have to settle by complaining in the forums 
You have the right to vote for your candidate of choice. I do as well. I also have the right to critique those elected, so no, I’ll say my piece on that topic. If this really ‘is’ a democracy, then I am not required to support the elected official, especially if they dump on the folks they’re supposed to represent. If this isn’t a democracy, if this is merely a ‘election for show’ then what you say is accurate and I’ll stop talking about it. Which is it?
This is an interesting statement. The CSM needs to “convince”. That’s fascinating. The implication is that those you intend to convince have little to no understanding of what the problem actually is, despite the fact that they are availed of that space’s shortcomings to a far greater degree than you, I, or anyone else. Complaints and suggestions galore have piled up over the years concerning the practical mechanics of life in lowsec, content, access, and functionality. The product you’re attempting to sell here is that CCP is unmotivated to do anything about the bottom-feeding gate-bombing, the lack of unique functionality in low sec, and the all but utterly eroded symbiotic relationship between PvE and piracy that at one time gave lowsec far greater stature than it deserved. How would you change that?
This isn’t a criticism of you or the CSM, despite the fact that I think its usefulness as a productive and influential advocate for players is questionable at best and nonexistent at worst. This is a criticism of the fact that not only have we heard all this before a million times over the course of almost two decades - you’re effectively saying that we’re still on the ground floor here. Perhaps even worse, we haven’t even entered the building yet.
Sorry Brisc, but it reeks of mundane politispeak with little to no real substance or drive behind it. That’s why no one expects anything much at this point. It’s clear that not only is no one really listening… in all likelihood, they won’t be, and it’ll just get dropped like a sack of old potatoes again like it always does. Basically, I wouldn’t even bother at this point, because it’ll just end up as another broken promise.
Five.
Two open goons, Suitonia because once karmafleet is always karmafleet, then Mike who’s a goon worse than a goon, so he counts as 1.5, and Brisc, who’s a goon pet, so he counts as 0.5.
Then there’s 2 Test, 1 horde, 1 horde pet, and…
I Beast, formally independent, but as everyone who speaks russian knows (I do), he’s completely ignorant to 99% of eve (Olmeca-level tunnel vision which excludes everything but pew), but hey, at least he’s 100% ignorant to nullsec as well, and as we all know, with the rock bottom state nullsec is now, any direction is better than staying where it is, so he can’t make it worse (than CCP) if he tries.
Thus, current CSM is 10% ignorance, 90% malice, but with Mike there the concentration of malice is on another level, so overall, CFCSM 16 is expected to be another step deeper into the sewage drain, which is an ongoing trend for almost a decade now.
As usual, hope it comes down crashing on CCP.
i have sadly read these… the way you had answered and give a “real democracy” lessons to @Destiny_Corrupted
your last words in your answer impressed me deeply:
[quote=“Brisc_Rubal, post:120, topic:317137”]
The CSM elections are as democratic as any other elections I’ve participated in. There are obvious slight differences (no one-person-one-vote) and the position itself has no actual power,
but to claim that the process is not democratic requires a hell of lot of willful blindness to what democracy is.
This one …
Here i would like to say couple of things…
… but some of the things you had "called " democracy examples and NORMALIZSE are not even acceptable in 3. world countries and 3. party observers strictly observe everything in election days…
you are from U.S.A
Lets see how is situation of U.S.A in the scale 
seem like U.S.A. cant find a place in top 20. and it has describes and classified as Flawed Democracy :
which means there is significant problems on application of democracy…
I do live in one of these scandinavian countries on top of the list… the things you have been presenting like normal… and what you called Democracy … and some of the examples just despising the people in this country … and despising me too…
who is really blind here ???
Also @Jenna_Corinth i had taste of dialogue with brisc rubal in the past in froums… end up with ISD got tired of removing his insults ad hominem comments towards me … and when he stand helpless his goons gets into forum and begin to attack too… … just doesnt work … So this is my first and last message around this subject… just would like to support both you and ramona
I just find it so terrifying and sad… how did he argued with Ramona… and his answers… the way he normalise the flaws with acceptance … like he doesnt know any better than that…
terrifiying … scary…
Blind man blames others to be blind and teaches them how it is … the way he know… flawed way … funny
So much in this thread
Congratulations to the new CSM. Watched the voting live on twitch, was both boring and interesting. Didn’t realise until then how the voting system works… It takes some getting used to.
Forgot to vote but I’m glad to see @Suitonia on there. My guy.
Also im glad for Suitonia and IBeast … both very acknowledgeable people with understanding… im glad for EvE. congratulations \o/
You have never had a conversation with me, and this is the first time I have interacted with you on these forums.
It never ceases to amaze me how judgmental some people can be based on two sentences of an internet forum.
That’s not the implication at all. What I am explaining is that in a game of this size, with the complexity that it has, there are constant demands on the development team. Determining where to allocate scarce resources, what issues to work on, where investment will result in the best outcome, and what will generate the most impact are extremely difficult, on-going questions. The CSM plays a role here, by highlighting priorities and trying to persuade CCP to focus those scarce resources on various issues and areas of concern.
Generally speaking, the company is focused more on player retention and attracting new players than anything else. Yes, there are tons of things wrong with lowsec and it’s a huge area that could provide lots of fun and engaging things to keep players interested, but in order to get them to do anything, we’ve got to break through the noise generated from ten thousand other areas and concerns that they’re getting slammed with as well.
It’s not easy. If it was easy, it would have gotten done. Phantomite spent an entire year begging for lowsec fixes and we got almost nothing. It is not an overnight, easy process. It took the CSM something like three solid years of complaining about highsec war decs before CCP took the time to fix the problem, and only then it happened when they recognized that the existing mechanics were having a major impact on retention.
I understand the cynicism - I’m pretty cynical myself these days. But there has been progress made in a variety of areas, and I am confident there will be progress made in this area, too.
What like IRL lol
I can appreciate the fact that anyone who sits on the CSM and is truly motivated to tackle “quality of space” issues that are relevant to EVE’s existing (predominantly bitter veteran) playerbase is undertaking a borderline sisyphean effort to affect real change that makes the majority of the game’s population happy. I also appreciate the fact that this game is a business, and that sharp hooks and fresh lures are the focus of EVE’s development and marketing teams. That said, my principal concern is that the CSM is something akin to a corporate internal union for CCP; pliant lip service to the players who, by your own admission, have not actually been rewarded with real change without significant pressure and over very extended periods of time.
Ultimately, your average Capsuleer simply can’t avoid asking themselves what could possibly motivate someone like yourself to genuinely advocate for anyone other than your own digital society, and you can’t really blame them for doing so, particularly when there is a predictable lack of diversity among their (ostensibly) elected representatives. Perhaps that’s the reason the needle never moves, they come to believe - because the effort to move it in their direction isn’t really being made.
In any event, thank you for the measured nature of your response to my particular brand of cynicism, though I do prefer to think of it as fairly straightforward realism.
@Mike_Azariah Congrats! 
Maybe this time around we can get you that Magic School Bus skin 
And congratulations to the rest of the council. I got two of my votes counted so I’ll consider that a success.
Btw, which member is providing the mascot this year? Dog, cat or ???
The main reason I advocate for anyone other than my own group is that it’s my job, and I want to do my job well (and get reelected). I know that my election is based on support from a wide variety of players and playstyles, not simply my own group, and that if I don’t do what I tell them I’m going to do, they’re going to call me out for being a liar and they’ll vote for somebody else. So I have a built in incentive to actually do my job, if I want to keep doing it. Which, for some dumb reason, I still do, although days like today make me question my sanity in continuing to do this.
The needle does move, it just doesn’t always move in the direction some people want, or in the way they want it. The game has seen considerable changes in the years since I started playing it, lots of new things added, old things changed, and near constant balance tweaks and changes. There is most definitely a “what have you done for me lately” mood in the player base and good changes are quickly accepted and forgotten, while complaints stack up and never seem to go away.
It’s a vicious cycle, and one that I don’t think anybody is ever going to be able to solve. The best we can do is keep pushing, and that’s what I’m going to do.
You’re either supremely naive about how politics works… or you’re a fairly decent politician. I’m more inclined to believe the latter. Don’t ask me why, Brisc.
Call it intuition. 