The only way to prevent ORE pack sales is for YOU to get out there in your mining barge and start mining all day long. Prove to CCP that you enjoy their content, and if you mine the ore yourself, they won’t have to sell it to you.
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No, slowing down growth ultimately changes nothing, or even worse.
The big guys will still accumulate on top of the what they already have, at lesser volume, but at the same rate, while the the little guys will accumulate proportionally even less, or almost nothing in may cases.
You forced that on me, not I.
I never came forward, nor was it my intention to predict with a clearcut date, that’s just you trying to trap me into fallacy.
I am merely pointing out a trend, and intention, backed with an argument.
So who’s intellectually dishonest ?
Mining is enjoyable content ?
I have fuckall to prove to CCP, least of all being forced into ■■■■ content, like a second job, barely to make ends meet in a video game.
That’s a “no thanks” to most people, and CCP knows this very well.
So, Ore packs it will be.
So what’s the problem?
I’m hoping for discounted ore packs by Christmas.
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The problem, deary, is providing a false fix to a problem, that follows a deeper and industrious agenda.
It’s fine, I’m glad that CCP has a deep industrious agenda.
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Which isn’t what you think/hope it is.
Unless you’re fine with Eve becoming a cash shop, I mean, you could’ve just said so all along.
“I, Aiko Danuja, Princess of High Sec, am fine with Eve becoming a microtransaction Paradise.”
Yep, I’m fine with it.
No need to keep crying about reality, you’ll just have to accept the inevitable.
ORE packs by CHRISTMAS!
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And when High Sec ultimately become gank-free space, you’ll be fine with that too ?
You’ll have to accept the inevitable Aiko, no more easy ganks for you.
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let the poor girl gank …
have a heart 
CCP is all about microtransactions, right?
GANK PACKS BY CHRISTMAS!
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lol, you laugh, but all things considered, Im pretty sure “gank permits” of some kind were put on the table at some point ^^
I agree with this in principal I think but what I’ve run into is an overall price increase so steep I’m now going backwards. I started playing around two years ago and just as I started to understand how the game it self works it started changing so fast I don’t know how to keep up. My attempts to adapt consisted of changing what I was doing over and over and each time what ever I tried got nerfed hard.
I’m now down to flying frigates and destroyers as a result and spending a lot of time not even logging in because I can’t think of anything to do.
When I started Eve seemed gigantic, now it feels like a noose closing around the necks of a lot of the people I know and my own. I’ve watched almost a full year worth of skill training get trashed by a few updates and really don’t see why anyone would want to watch that happen.
First they killed almost all of my tank training, then they made industry non worthwhile, and then they went after nullification and cloaking. After all the other stuff I just laughed at the cloaking nerf, it’s like they were spent and didn’t have any energy left to come up with anything really bad. Thank goodness.
It has been really interesting watching all this, and while some of it has pissed me off a lot I have tried to keep an open mind about the long term plans, of which I know exactly nothing, I find that I give less of a damm as time passes. I logged in today and looked at some new event that was twenty or thirty jumps away and logged back off and read a book instead.
I have to wonder if their long term plan isn’t a little short sighted, I’m someone with five (formerly) paid omega accounts and I got past the learning curve, accepted that I would die a lot (and did so!) and began to thrive only to be strangled as soon as I started making real progress.
This isn’t good planning on their part I don’t think, if someone gets past that stuff they should be able to keep progressing if they put in the effort, not log in to find that the ship they fell in love with and skill trained for months is now something that doesn’t work and that they can’t fix.
Now I’m thinking about PvP and hesitating because there’s a loud clamor to “fix” faction warfare, what if they trash it? I mean I actually expect them to do exactly that.
If CCP were in the medical profession they would use a tourniquet on your neck if you had a head injury.
I think this is the stuff that’s making people yell about a lack of communication from them, if they have a long term plan now would be a good time for a few leaks at the very least. If they are just being dicks and we “can quit if we don’t like it” that’s another thing entirely.
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You will be happy to know that in my short stint of doing industry I made a bunch of mining barges, I’m now almost done giving them out for free.
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Hay, I like him, he’s really funny. Seriously, delve into the stuff he digs into and it gets increasing amusing.
That’s exactly what I was doing
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Makes zero sense.
The rich/poor divide was ever increasing before scarcity. On the opposite side of things, if destruction is higher than production then everyone approaches zero.
Still you.
Given enough time a monkey will type out the entire works of Shakespeare in order.
As long as you can keep saying ‘not yet. Just wait.’ then you can claim whatever you like about CCP’s future.
I can similarly claim that CCP will become the largest exporter of craft beer, given enough time.
So when you claim they’re going to give ore packs because of scarcity, you must give a time scale. To refuse to is to admit you always intende to move the goal posts.
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Eventually, the only rights people will have are the ones they fight for.
Total reliance on the concept that a company that fails to please its customers will implode is a bit of a dangerous concept. Why? Because it means we let EVE fail and then kiss it goodbye forever.
I utterly reject that as being completely foolish. The paying customers (not me anymore but still) are most certainly owed an explanation. It just comes down to their willingness to fight for it every once and a while and remind CCP who pays the bills.
They are nothing without us. The players can not only save EVE, they better man up sometimes or they will lose it.
Here’s what i think of ‘scarcity’.
EVE is a complex system. Fine. Anyone that is seeing this topic and has played for more than a week may probably already know that.
The system had an abundance problem. Ok? Abundance might be caused by a number of factors, infinite resource (re)generation being just one of the most glaring ones.
CCP’s fix? Arbitrarily alter the location, and thus the entire risk-cost calculation, and quantity of every mineral, on top of (in the follow up) reducing the effective amounts of the ores carrying such minerals to the point that some locations are literally asteroid-dead with no asteroids to mine at all. To double down on this, they conjure out of NOWHERE a new set of components whose production chain is only matched by ultra-specialized T2 producers. And then make those components required for the construction of some ships, some of which can make sense, and others that don’t. While still not touching any of the original causes of abundance.
One of the main goals of the ‘redistribution’ was to create trade and movement between low sec and hi sec areas, thus promoting mining ship and possibly industrial ship loss.
This however has a major conceptual flaw. Trust.
You need to have miners and industrialists -trust- not only the system but also other players that live in low sec so that they would be willing to risk in the first place.
And here is where the flaw of trust shows itself. Miners and industrialists have no reason to trust anyone that isn’t flying a ship like their own, and even then that is not to be given for granted.
This leaves miners with little choice. Either maintain their high sec lifestyle at the cost of lower profits but without having to openly trust every single person within 5 jumps, or accept to risk as much as they can in a low sec profit venture that may not only return nothing on its investment because you can’t reliably or regularly haul your day’s work to a nearby market hub, but may actually cost them a lot if they only trust for one femtosecond that the guy that just warped into the belt with a frigate doesn’t have a scrambler fitted and a gang of buddies coming in from the next system over.
Or win EVE, letting the pvpers then cry in the forums, streams and reddits “MUH TAAAAHRGEEEHTS”.
Other than that… Big blocs will just continue to do big blocs things. Like producing alts like they were Model Ts and just mine and produce everything themselves like they have been for the past 10 years (“Autarchy is anathema of free trade” or something like that, hmm?), thus causing all of these game-wide changes to have been for nothing but tossing the occasional miner bone to some starving low sec gate camper.
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BOOHOOOhooo
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CCP should remove mining. It’s a dead bussiness after all.
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