Pretty fire balls…
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The line between ganking and griefing ranges between non-existent to thin. If you blow up a miner for no reason other than to blow him up you are griefing. Period. And that is allowed. Griefing is allowed. Redefining it or the developer encouraging it doesn’t change the fact of the matter.
No one is physically harmed. But it does cause salt in some cases and that it emotional harm. You don’t want to admit this because you don’t care about other peoples’ feelings and, not wanting to consider what that says about you as a person, you wish to dictate to someone else how they don’t feel rather than just admit you have no problem emotionally harming other people. Just be honest with yourself and keep it moving. No need to try and act like you’re some kind of empathetic kindhearted person. This world we live in is not the product of kind hearts. It reflects the people who live in it. And those people play EVE.
The fact that you insist on interpreting this as a complaint is telling. There is no harm in any way, shape or form so why would you perceive this as a complaint if you believe there is nothing to complain about in any way, shape or form?
This is not a complaint. I am telling no one not to grief and/or gank. I am simply pointing out that it can result of salty tears. Can you agree with that?
I never said YOUR feelings were or were not hurt at getting your ■■■■ destroyed. I am not trying to dictate behavior. I’m okay with PvP. I don’t do it because I don’t want to do it, but I know it happens. But that’s me. And apparently you.
But please tell me how that means that everyone in this game must feel the very same way. Last time I checked, we humans were pretty varied in our responses to things. People react in a great many different ways. Are you here to say that this isn’t true? Was that the point of your post? To get everyone to react as you do or else?
I’ve only skimmed through this game’s TOS, but I’m pretty sure that there was absolutely no mention of CCP dictating behavior anywhere in there. It was never agreed upon by any of the players upon installing this game. It did say to be civil, but that’s all. It never said that there was a governing entity to enfore anything beyond common courtesy.
So stating that ganking can lead to the victim being angry is utterly silly?
Just want to make sure I understand your position.
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https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing
This is griefing.. If your toon is over thirty days old. It is open season. and extends to the sisters of eve epic arc. Now i have started and biomassed more than a few toon this last year. Not one of them was griefed. Nor was there any attempt either.
Griefing is not that much of a thing. Does it happen? Sure that is why this is in the EULA. But it is not a constant nor an ongoing problem. There are always a player in any game that wants to test how far they can go before the devs cheerfully slap them down or ban them.
In EVE the response to anyone griefing a new under thirty day player I have been told is pretty quick with only a warning or two and then banned if the player continues.
What you and your buddy here are contending is not griefing. It part of the game. I have in a previous post stated as much. If you think a player has broken the EULA and then fer gods sweet sake report the S.O.B. I mean that too.
And again mistaking a game for real life. That is just nonsense. As an EVE player I am EVE University. The oldest teaching Corp in the game. We do not punch down. Helping new players is pretty much what happens there.
New Eden is a wild west of hypercapitalism with near immortal pilots flying very unfriendly sky. If you were to show up on my overview and asking for help. I would do what I could. At the same time it would be with a measure of caution. This is Eve after all.
And yeah I have been accused of being a filthy arms merchant.. Which amuses the hell out of me. For very personal reasons.
And lastly I disagree with you. As it should never ever result in salty tears. If you lost a very expensive multibillion ISK ship + modules. Lost it for stupid reasons.
Not only am I not going to feel sorrow. I am going to shake my head in amusement. Now if it is lost in a battle. Well I hope the fight was a good one and that the player gave as well got. But salty tears for someone to drink. Nope. Take any game to seriously and you have this.
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Stating that I should give a damn is utterly silly. If someone chooses to be ‘angry’ because they lost a game of Monopoly then they should do that thing called growing up.
I can only assume that you must be whining on behalf of 5 year old children.
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I only PvP to be nice.
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I don’t care about anyone’s reactions or behaviour. If a person can’t cope with losing a ship in a PvP game…they should stick to Farmville. Personally I’ve acquired enough in-game wealth that even the loss of my most expensive ship is less than 1% of my total worth. If I can reach that state…anyone can.
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Its not important merely part of the design in order to ensure people can still.. kind of… pvp in highsec.
Ganking miners is pointless, no loot in it.
Ganking haulers is piracy, much loot, many isks.
Well I would say there is somewhere in the range of 1000-3000 players who care very much about killboards. If you check the killboards you can see gankers and people who don’t care about PvP but just do F1 chores are the top 20k - obviously together with anyone who actually wants to be top. How you translate that number of characters to accounts and players and seperate the players into likes killboards, gankers and F1 chores makes the uncertainty.
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Barely anyone still ganks mining ships. We are talking here about 2 players in caldari space total plus few miner-gankers, ie. players who ganks competition in the area they mine themselves.
Yet miners are the group that cries the most. It is riddiculous.
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The only one that complain are.. players.. like these two. Most people that mine are more concerned by the NPC pirates.
Yes there is at least one youtuber/twitch channel that ganks miners. His target is the AFK and multiboxers. When he is live. People will send a message as to where a likely multiboxer/AFK miner is.
The real entertainment is when he sends a message to the miner and the miner replies with salty tears… Though most times he does not get anything back or is simply blocked. Watching a AFK multi boxer fleet of Retrievers and an Orca go up in to pretty fireballs is a lovely sight, I tell ya. I have not watched his channel in a few months. Personal things going in my RL that needs more of my attention.
Most miners I have talked to understand we are an easy target. Do what we can to make it a harder for a ganker to swoop in and blow up our ships. Even those that admit that they go AFK have told me that is a risk that they themselves are willing to take.
As an aside. Yesterday night I was out doing some exploration in my little navy heron. Its fit is not all that great, but does the job. After I cracked open one can. A Stratios landed on grid as I was moving to the next can.
I knew that it was out there as my dscan had picked it up once. And when it showed up on my overview.. I hit the warp point and was gone before he/she could decide to do anything.
My little navy heron is one of the first ships that I outfitted and I know it is not going to stand up in a knock down drag out fight. And besides I had a 3 million worth of Isk of things from that first can.
No salty tears to drink. When I can afford to not just buy a Stratios, but to properly have a proper fit. That same scenario might just change.
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Absolutely! I’ve been saying that for a while! I warp from empire to empire all the time and I see hundreds of mining ships that aren’t getting destroyed by anyone.
These are the real threat! Diamond rats are no joke! I finally got myself a ship that rips through them like butter and I’m more than willing to sit there in my Vindicator to defend my corpmates anytime the anomaly appears during moon mining day. We had one lose his ship to them not long ago.
There are no real threats or people griefing. If you fleet up and are doing what is necessary. Outside of a roaming NPSI fleet. There is no real threat. Not at the level you keep insisting on. As you have pointed out you sit in a Vindicator. Good for you. Therefore the real threat has been eliminated. You and your corp mates get to mine that moon. Good for you and your corp. You are playing the game as intended. I am not seeing what the problem is here.. 
Quote me where I said you should give a damn.
Emotions are now a choice? A parent sad that their child was killed by a drunk driver is now a personal choice? Interesting. So people chose to be jealous, bored, excited, etc.?
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the responsability of your emotion is on you, not on other people
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The MMO community has already decided what griefing is decades ago. EVE developers aren’t the arbiters of griefing nor can anything they say change what it is. If you are targeting people unnecessarily for no other reason than to deliberately annoy and disrupt other’s day you are griefing. Period. End of discussion.
But it does result in salty tears though. And I already gave an example of dumb behavior in the guy that lost all the PLEX. None of that matters when it comes to how that person feels. If I blow up that multibillion dollar ISK ship or if I scan down a player doing a mission and steal thier mission items, I have to acknowledge that I’m going to real life upset someone. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not telling you not to blow them up or steal mission items or whatever. I’m simply acknowledging that such actions can cause negative emotional reactions. The game EVE exists in a real world and is played by real people with real emotions that they, for the most part, have zero control over. Saying that someone will have an emotional response to things that happen in a game does not mean I’m equating an intergalactic space sim to real life. That is just a ridiculous strawman. People get emotional over sad scenes in TV shows and movies. If I acknowledge a person’s real genuine emotional responses to the Red Wedding, that doesn’t mean I’m equivocating GoT with the real world.
Okay. I never said you needed to care. So you acknowledge you don’t care about other people’s feelings. And in fact, take pleasure in others’ pain. Cool beans, you’re honest with yourself. So what exactly are you contending against me about? Just what it means to grief?
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Apples to oranges.. Someone losing a child is not even close to how you feel about being ganked.
If you are angry about being ganked.. That is your choice to be angry. If you are angry in a game that promotes and is part of game play. That ships are blown up. That says more about you.
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Nope. The EULA that the CCP has put out is the final say. It is their game. Deal with the reality of that.
Anyone that get upset in a game that promotes the blowing up of ships. Says more about that person maturity.
I was nearly ganked the other day. Am I upset? Oh heck no. The other player had a better ship and most likely a better fit. My little Navy Heron could fight off some NPC pirates, But in reality it is admittedly a bad fit. It was one my first efforts at fitting out an explorer. I keep intending in correcting and just never seem to get around to doing.
At the same time had I been less observant and gotten blown out of the sky. Would I have been upset. Naw. In fact I might even had a conversation with him. In discussing a good fit on a limited budget.
The difference between us is that I accept that in a game that people are going to blow up ships. It is going to happen. You on the other hand seem to think everyone needs to stop doing what this game in part is about. As you youngsters like to say, you, do you.
About not caring about people feelings. In this game anyone that has salty tears over losing a ship. and whatever else. It is EVE. A for losing plex. Why in the gods sweet names would you transport plex?
I did hear of one player in rage quiting to took a multi billion Isk ship loaded up with plex and blew it up. As though it were a thumb in CCP eye. I was amused at the stupidity of thinking that CCP was even harmed or really cared. All that player did in blowing up that plex was move the real world money from one side of the ledger to otherside.
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Ganking is content.
Griefing is harassment.
And if you can’t tell the difference, maybe EVE isn’t your game.
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