Wrong. He was stating a plain truth. Everthing he said was true. You pvpers cant dictate reactions. Never could. You never will. You all cannot dictate feelings. Never could. You never will.
PvP will happen in PvP games, but you can’t dictate behavior. And you aren’t PvPing to be nice either. I’ve seen far too many posts made by PvPers in this game to believe that. The more you destroy, the more you congratulate yourselves. It’s not enough to destroy an empty hull. You dream of that kill where you get blue modules and billions in implants along with it.
Just like PvP players love destroying ■■■■, PvE players hate having ■■■■ destroyed. You can’t dictate behavior so that will never change.
Newsflash scooter.. I am not much on PVP.. I am more of a PVE player.. Mission running, Mining, and and making things. My feeling are not hurt nor am I even complaining that PVP, in a game that is primarily PVP in both scope and concept, happens.
If your feeling are being hurt because some bad old player came along and made your ship into some pretty fireworks. There are really two ways you can go.
One is simply grow up and realize this game is primarily about PVP. Losing ships is what happens and is going to continue to happen. Being sore over that is not going to change anything. Or two continue to cry about bad ole PVP’ers trying to make your ship into a lovely fireball. In which case as you youngsters like to say, Someone is going to drink your tears.
Yeah, I am not being nice. As you do not seem to respond to civil conversation all that well. You get the sharp edge of my tongue.
Also when you ever do decide to undock. Let me know cause I like to watch pretty fireworks and fireballs.. When it is all over and whomever blew your ship out of the sky. I promise I will sell you a new ship. Maybe some modules and ammo as well. But I want to be there to see it..
The line between ganking and griefing ranges between non-existent to thin. If you blow up a miner for no reason other than to blow him up you are griefing. Period. And that is allowed. Griefing is allowed. Redefining it or the developer encouraging it doesn’t change the fact of the matter.
No one is physically harmed. But it does cause salt in some cases and that it emotional harm. You don’t want to admit this because you don’t care about other peoples’ feelings and, not wanting to consider what that says about you as a person, you wish to dictate to someone else how they don’t feel rather than just admit you have no problem emotionally harming other people. Just be honest with yourself and keep it moving. No need to try and act like you’re some kind of empathetic kindhearted person. This world we live in is not the product of kind hearts. It reflects the people who live in it. And those people play EVE.
The fact that you insist on interpreting this as a complaint is telling. There is no harm in any way, shape or form so why would you perceive this as a complaint if you believe there is nothing to complain about in any way, shape or form?
This is not a complaint. I am telling no one not to grief and/or gank. I am simply pointing out that it can result of salty tears. Can you agree with that?
I never said YOUR feelings were or were not hurt at getting your ■■■■ destroyed. I am not trying to dictate behavior. I’m okay with PvP. I don’t do it because I don’t want to do it, but I know it happens. But that’s me. And apparently you.
But please tell me how that means that everyone in this game must feel the very same way. Last time I checked, we humans were pretty varied in our responses to things. People react in a great many different ways. Are you here to say that this isn’t true? Was that the point of your post? To get everyone to react as you do or else?
I’ve only skimmed through this game’s TOS, but I’m pretty sure that there was absolutely no mention of CCP dictating behavior anywhere in there. It was never agreed upon by any of the players upon installing this game. It did say to be civil, but that’s all. It never said that there was a governing entity to enfore anything beyond common courtesy.
This is griefing.. If your toon is over thirty days old. It is open season. and extends to the sisters of eve epic arc. Now i have started and biomassed more than a few toon this last year. Not one of them was griefed. Nor was there any attempt either.
Griefing is not that much of a thing. Does it happen? Sure that is why this is in the EULA. But it is not a constant nor an ongoing problem. There are always a player in any game that wants to test how far they can go before the devs cheerfully slap them down or ban them.
In EVE the response to anyone griefing a new under thirty day player I have been told is pretty quick with only a warning or two and then banned if the player continues.
What you and your buddy here are contending is not griefing. It part of the game. I have in a previous post stated as much. If you think a player has broken the EULA and then fer gods sweet sake report the S.O.B. I mean that too.
And again mistaking a game for real life. That is just nonsense. As an EVE player I am EVE University. The oldest teaching Corp in the game. We do not punch down. Helping new players is pretty much what happens there.
New Eden is a wild west of hypercapitalism with near immortal pilots flying very unfriendly sky. If you were to show up on my overview and asking for help. I would do what I could. At the same time it would be with a measure of caution. This is Eve after all.
And yeah I have been accused of being a filthy arms merchant.. Which amuses the hell out of me. For very personal reasons.
And lastly I disagree with you. As it should never ever result in salty tears. If you lost a very expensive multibillion ISK ship + modules. Lost it for stupid reasons.
Not only am I not going to feel sorrow. I am going to shake my head in amusement. Now if it is lost in a battle. Well I hope the fight was a good one and that the player gave as well got. But salty tears for someone to drink. Nope. Take any game to seriously and you have this.
Stating that I should give a damn is utterly silly. If someone chooses to be ‘angry’ because they lost a game of Monopoly then they should do that thing called growing up.
I can only assume that you must be whining on behalf of 5 year old children.
I don’t care about anyone’s reactions or behaviour. If a person can’t cope with losing a ship in a PvP game…they should stick to Farmville. Personally I’ve acquired enough in-game wealth that even the loss of my most expensive ship is less than 1% of my total worth. If I can reach that state…anyone can.
Its not important merely part of the design in order to ensure people can still.. kind of… pvp in highsec.
Ganking miners is pointless, no loot in it.
Ganking haulers is piracy, much loot, many isks.
Well I would say there is somewhere in the range of 1000-3000 players who care very much about killboards. If you check the killboards you can see gankers and people who don’t care about PvP but just do F1 chores are the top 20k - obviously together with anyone who actually wants to be top. How you translate that number of characters to accounts and players and seperate the players into likes killboards, gankers and F1 chores makes the uncertainty.
Barely anyone still ganks mining ships. We are talking here about 2 players in caldari space total plus few miner-gankers, ie. players who ganks competition in the area they mine themselves.
Yet miners are the group that cries the most. It is riddiculous.
The only one that complain are.. players.. like these two. Most people that mine are more concerned by the NPC pirates.
Yes there is at least one youtuber/twitch channel that ganks miners. His target is the AFK and multiboxers. When he is live. People will send a message as to where a likely multiboxer/AFK miner is.
The real entertainment is when he sends a message to the miner and the miner replies with salty tears… Though most times he does not get anything back or is simply blocked. Watching a AFK multi boxer fleet of Retrievers and an Orca go up in to pretty fireballs is a lovely sight, I tell ya. I have not watched his channel in a few months. Personal things going in my RL that needs more of my attention.
Most miners I have talked to understand we are an easy target. Do what we can to make it a harder for a ganker to swoop in and blow up our ships. Even those that admit that they go AFK have told me that is a risk that they themselves are willing to take.
As an aside. Yesterday night I was out doing some exploration in my little navy heron. Its fit is not all that great, but does the job. After I cracked open one can. A Stratios landed on grid as I was moving to the next can.
I knew that it was out there as my dscan had picked it up once. And when it showed up on my overview.. I hit the warp point and was gone before he/she could decide to do anything.
My little navy heron is one of the first ships that I outfitted and I know it is not going to stand up in a knock down drag out fight. And besides I had a 3 million worth of Isk of things from that first can.
No salty tears to drink. When I can afford to not just buy a Stratios, but to properly have a proper fit. That same scenario might just change.
Absolutely! I’ve been saying that for a while! I warp from empire to empire all the time and I see hundreds of mining ships that aren’t getting destroyed by anyone.
These are the real threat! Diamond rats are no joke! I finally got myself a ship that rips through them like butter and I’m more than willing to sit there in my Vindicator to defend my corpmates anytime the anomaly appears during moon mining day. We had one lose his ship to them not long ago.
There are no real threats or people griefing. If you fleet up and are doing what is necessary. Outside of a roaming NPSI fleet. There is no real threat. Not at the level you keep insisting on. As you have pointed out you sit in a Vindicator. Good for you. Therefore the real threat has been eliminated. You and your corp mates get to mine that moon. Good for you and your corp. You are playing the game as intended. I am not seeing what the problem is here..
Emotions are now a choice? A parent sad that their child was killed by a drunk driver is now a personal choice? Interesting. So people chose to be jealous, bored, excited, etc.?
