Yes…and it is my choice to respond with ’ Oh, for crying out loud…’ as your comments go from the sublime to the even more ridiculous.
We now have to worry about drunk drivers in EVE ? I’m too busy dodging drunken non-sequiturs.
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That’s like saying if the EULA says it’s okay to find and release people’s personal information it’s not doxing because doxing type behavior isn’t forbidden in the EULA. Griefing is not an EVE specific phenomenon. CCP doesn’t get to define it. The term precedes the existence of EVE and its existence exceeds the boundaries of EVE.
I was doing some hacking and a dude decloaked on one of the nodes and blew up my ship. I went on with my day. So what? What does my nonchalant attitude have to do with how another person might feel in the same situation?
You not caring has no bearing on whether or not someone else does care. All I’m saying is that griefing and even ganking can potentially have a negative emotional toll on people emotionally. You don’t have to care about that toll. I’m countering the idea that it has no harmful effect on some people. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it or that you should care. But people are acting like they get to dictate how another human being feels, or rather, what another human being doesn’t feel.
Quote me where I stated this.
EVE is like Seinfeld. It’s the game about nothing. It is not explicitly about ganking, griefing or PVP in general. These are merely options that are not vital to the game’s existence. Don’t get me wrong, it does make thinks more exciting and the game would be lesser without it.
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Way to discard any credibility you might have had as being a good faith actor.
Sweet, then stop being pissy and angry at someone expressing a viewpoint on a game forum. You’re incessant whining and vitriol about text is far less understandable than some noob in-game losing their brand new cruiser they spent all their ISK on.
You think my comments have been “sublime” at points? Do you know what “sublime” means?
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Again with your apple and oranges.. The EULA makes plain what griefing is and is not. Ganking is NOT griefing.. Ganking has been pointed out to you is content. Griefing is not content.
And yes as EVE Online is owned by CCP and for Now Pearl Abyss. They get to define it as they please. That is reality.
“I’m countering the idea that it has no harmful effect on some people. I’m not saying you shouldn’t do it or that you should care. But people are acting like they get to dictate how another human being feels, or rather, what another human being doesn’t feel.”
Your whole premise is hocking B.S.. Anyone having their feelings hurt over being ganked.. And can not get past that. Needs to find another game. EVE is PVP. Period. Also in this game as an FYI. A player can and has robbed his corp on the way out the door. Fraud, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, spying are all legitimate playstyles. On the other side you have Mike Magic School Bus, Eve UNI And other teaching corps as well. And everything in between. Up and to including roleplaying.
Your whole argument revolves around a premise that people should care about a person hurt feelings of losing a fool ship. The logical conclusion is that there should be no PVP. In a PVP game and have no PVP because someone’s feelings might be hurt. Seriously? Really?
I do not know if you thought through your premise. But that is where it all leads to. I can not get behind or even support such a premise. If a player can not get past his/her hurt feelings. That is generally when the rage quit post happens. You have to have the maturity and accept the fact that you are going to lose ships..
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Life is 90% of what happens to you, the other more important 10% is how you react to it..
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I was simply pointing out that your comments are SO utterly ludicrous and over the top that you do a far better job of destroying your own case than I could ever do.
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The frequency at which these threads devolve into people comparing shooting someone’s spaceship in a spaceship shooting game to assaulting a person in real life is concerning.
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I am pretty sure this is the same person hat has started other such threads. The premise is always the same. Players are bad for blowing up ships/have no regard for other players. SMH I do not know at this point if this person is simply trolling the forum or if he/she really does believe this nonsense.
But here we all are again. Entertaining ourselves with an argument that is nonsensical and will inevitably get closed. As the OP gets tired of not getting anyone really to see his side. Only to to start a new topic in a few days or immediately. Maybe under the same name or a new alt.
Wash rinse repeat
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Actually they do. Read the EULA.
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But what if Aiko’s feelings are hurt when the Frostpacker doesn’t send her 1 bil ISK each month? Does this mean @Chad_Frostpacker is emotionally torturing her in real-life when he refuses to send his monthly tithe?
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Fine, then I wish all the toons of a ganker gave out killrights, but I realize trying to enforce it would cause more problems than it solves.
I mean what would they do? Use hardware ID? People can just buy more computers? Have people use photographic ID and send them to CCP to play the game? Sure that means you can code it so when some guy ganks his victim gains killrights to all the toons. And this would be very inasive for privacy concerns. Even if CCP would never sell our data, no company is immune to breaches. Take the mafia-style game Town of Salem. BGM games got hacked and this compromised the security of ALL THEIR PLAYERS. Unless none of them used credit cards.
So I wish the toon system didn’t make killrights worthless, but any attempts to enforce this is just not worth it.
You are completely missing the point.
Every pilot that attacks someone in highsec is generating a killright. The victim of his aggression, whether it was successful or not, can activate this killright and make him suspect. Or put it public for a price then anyone can buy it from the owner and make the pilot suspect.
And it is precisely this mechanic that forces gankers to not do anything else than ganking!!! (During which the activation of killrights is not a problem since we use cheap glasscannon ships we already written off anyway.)
Gankers can just use a different toon without a killright. I don’t mind the concept of “undocking is consenting to PVP” and high sec gaking, I’m just very annoyed the killright system is very toothless except for someone who decides to single box.
Anyone can and we are instructed to do so by CCP from the very beginning.
You get 3 character slots per account. EVE is an alt game and not just gankers using alts. Majority of these neutral, friendly miners minding their own bussiness are alts of some nullsec players or even lowsec pirates (and highsec gankers obviously).
That you did not realize that you can play more than one character or that you are not forced to have all characters in same corporation doesn’t mean it is somehow wrong when other players do that.
And yet again - majority of the gankers do not even do anything else than ganking. I for sure don’t with exception of hauling the gank supplies with neutral alt. But I could just as well put that alt into my gank corp, it wouldn’t change anything as the gank corp is not wardec-able. Only few gankers are mining in highsec, but they usually do it simultaneously. Ie. those mining alts are not even on the same accounts as the ganking alts.
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Gankers don’t do anything with alts that I don’t do. I have an alt that holds the structures so that my main isn’t wardecable. I have an alt on another account that I can log in along with my main.
This is Eve. Alts have power and can be used to protect assets and help with profit.
Hey if all you do is gank, this is part of the economy. But some do more than that. Some players find it fine, well the OP asked for what everone thinks of it and I’m giving my thoughts that I don’t think ganking should be removed but I think using alts to make killrights toothless is not fair.
Killrights are not worthless.
YOUR PvP ABILITIES ARE WORTHLESS.
He mines in Abudban.
Go gank him yourself.
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My case is that emotions exist.
You’re stating I’ve destroyed that case (i.e. emotions aren’t real).
Ergo, the only conclusion anyone can come to is that you don’t believe in the existence of emotions.
But I’m the ludicrous one? 
Your comments are ludicrous. If one does not have the emotional maturity of being able to handle losing a virtual ship. That is nothing more than light and some photons. A lot of 1’s and 0’s. Not only is this game not for that person.
I would argue that even checkers is beyond that person ability to handle. Even in checkers once that piece is removed from the board it is not coming back. Seriously, if a person is taking any game that seriously that they are upset with losing something. That person really needs to ask themselves why? And perhaps grow up.
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Nah, mate…you clearly wouldn’t know an ‘ergo’ if the 2000km wide Ergo Mark V showed up and rained down fire. Leave Latin words for the grown-ups.
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