IT IS ALWAYS, the mining community that gets picked on in any sci-fi story
Sometimes it’s the truckers, Just ask Dennis Hopper.
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the assumption made, in case you didnt look up high enough, was that CSM doesn’t know Hisec exists, which is why i mentioned you.. since yannow, you was CSM several times.
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Meh. What’s ‘polarizing’ about people doing PvP in a PvP game ?
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Polarizing means that it divides the community into two extreme opinions with very little middle ground, and it’s constantly discussed, like it this thread.
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I love watching gankers explode, podding them, looting them and salvaging the wrecks. They make the most wonderful fireworks.
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Even though they explode like fireworks, it also 
dosd them a favour when you shorten their travel time.
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Imho there is a huge amount of people on the “middle ground”, but they are mostly reasonable people who aren’t very vocal about their opinion and avoid being part of those trashtalk topics. It only looks like the community is polarized about the issue. One of the reasons a “vote” about the topic isn’t going to achive much, as voting usually doesn’t give the individual a real chance to express their opinion and the wiggle room around it. It just offers a choice of pre-selected answers which all might fit more or less well.
CCP btw. does send email surveys on a regular basis. And they have asked about ganking in the past if I am not mistaken.
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I think we need some ganking and if it were removed the damage to the commodies market would be quite serve. There are a few things I don’t like about it. Namely ganking alts… if you gank someone in HS you can insulate yourself from consequences. Your main isn’t permaflashy. I was thinking a way to fix this would be to require ganking to be in a war decabable corp with X ISK in assets (to prevent throaway corps from doing it) but wouldn’t work for a few reasons. I honestly have no idea how to force gankers to use their mains without having side effects worse. The cures are worse than the disease
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Not true at all. When you walk outside your house you do not accept the life mechanics nor social norms of people who rob, rape and murder. It’s all part of life and could happen to anyone. Just like there are rude and inconsiderate people. You don’t accept that just because such behavior exists. You don’t accept negativity in any game either just because you play that game. And CCP has no rules explicitly forcing anyone to be contemptible.
It’s nothing like football. Tackling is an inherent part of football. Defense must occur for the game to be played. There is no inherent requirement to inconvenience a defenseless miner for no reason other that you get your jollies out of it. Terrible comparison. I think even you knew it was bad when you typed it.
If you are blapping 2 day old miners doing their AIR Career Goals just to grief, you’re not a wolf. Don’t flatter yourself. Nor are miners sheep for doing something that’s actually critical to the wellbeing of the game. I’ll never understand the appeal, but if not for people who like mining EVE dies. And, yes, if you simply want to hurt someone for the sake of hurting them, you do have mental issues. That’s not to say you’re a threat to society (not all mental issues result in violence), but such a person is clearly expressing something from the safety of the game that they can’t or are too scared to do irl. Again, no wolves or sheep in EvE. Just different playstyles/interests.
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Because morons walk down dark alleys and get mugged in real life.
Also why would anyone “feel good” about mugging people? I know you didn’t really mug them, but it is a mental issue we all have called a conscience and principles. When I shoot someone either here or in the real world, I just have to cope with it. What’s done is done. Self monitoring, avoiding isolation, see your therapist, and be open with your friends. You make it sound more traumatic than spending 2 weeks avoiding sniper fire and hoping to God you never need draw your own weapon. Speaking from experience, you sound like you have a good moral conscience.
It feels good to be back.
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When you undock you are accepting the risks of undocking. Period.
I might befriend someone. Have flown and fought on the same side. But if we are on the opposite sides of a conflict. I will do all I can to blow that player out of the sky.
I expect that the other player is doing the same. I will do it with a song in my heart. If the other player is now a ganker. I am not going to make it personal. I will simply mark the toon he is using with a red. Again not going to take it personal.
I accept that I can be blown out of the sky. I minimize the chances of getting caught out and becoming a pretty fireball in the sky as much as I can.
The game promotes the PVP and I am more than willing to play along with it. Undocking and not knowing if the ship I am flying. Will be the ship that I dock at the end. Is just the risk I take and accept.
But here is where I have a grief. Right now it is not the suicide gankers that are the major problem. An issue has become that for some is to abuse the wardec system. To legally gank.
Sometimes even dissolving the corp to start another to get around the two week cool down period. I am not crying about how unfair it is. I am saying that this goes beyond what the wardec system was meant for. It is using an exploit of a system. That needs to be corrected.
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Sheesh. Just reading your post…I cannot help but think that epithet belongs to those who confuse a game with real life.
Which one of your forum alts is it this time ?..as I notice yet another character that doesn’t seem to have undocked for quite some time. There’s something rather perverse about people whining about EVE…when the last time they logged in pterodactyls were still roaming the skies.
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EVE isn’t like WOW or most MMO’s where you just respawn with all your stuff and can just continue without interruption. People had to spend time earning what they have, especially new players, and they don’t just return to what they were doing immediately. Depending on where they are their entire day could be ruined if they have to make a long trip back civilization to reship or (like many new players) they can’t afford to reship immediately. This makes EVE far more visceral and you typical hear people saying how PvP encounters get their hearts racing.
That being said, you do hurt people in some way in real life when you grief them. That dumb guy who had thousands in PLEX way back probably felt some kind of way about it when he lost it all. Yes, he was dumb. But those gankers really inflicted real life anguish on him. Hiding behind “it’s just a game” doesn’t change this. If I gank you I fully understand that I am potentially causing that person real life pain. I remember way back in the Everquest days how high level people would come to noob zones and grief new players. Even then that act causes real frustration. Human emotion doesn’t turn off just because it’s a game. And you know this.
I’m not telling anyone what to do or not do. I’m not complaining about anything. I’m just stating a plain truth about the human condition.
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Griefing is a very separate issue. One that is addressed in EULA. Ganking is an acceptable playstyle. Suicide ganking is something the Dev’s are OK with as long as the suicide ganker realizes the penalties and is OK with losing the ship in the process.
To put it simply it is what keeps an industrialist in their virtual cheerios. The more ships blown up means ships, modules, and ammo is being bought. It helps fuel the economy. It keeps Isk from getting out of hand and inflation down to a dull roar. In this game you lose something while undocked. It is gone permanently.
That is why the advice ‘Do not fly what you can not afford to lose’ is told to every new player and emphasized time and again.
No one is harmed in RL in any way, shape, or form. It is understood by everyone that play, except you apparently, that losing ships is going to be something that is going to happen. That is not griefing.
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Do you realize that vast majority of gankers are ganking with mains? That we don’t do anything else is precisely because of the consequences of ganking. We aren’t stupid to mine or do level 4 missions in blinged marauder with 50 killrights on our head even if they are “dormant”. That basically forces us to gank nonstop and do nothing else. Especially when it take hours to find that one stupid player who is worth to gank and can be ganked.
Gankers who are mining are mining with alts. The mining characters are alts, not the other way around. And if some ganker is doing PVE then he does it in low, null or wh where the consequences of ganking doesn’t matter.
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No you’re not. You are comparing a game with real life…which is utterly silly. I’ve charged up a beach in Normandy and shot 400 Germans. The French police have yet to come and arrest me…as I was playing Medal Of Honour.
If you are that psychologically involved that you can’t tell the difference between a game and real life then I suggest you stick to tiddlywinks and leave EVE for the adults. Though I suspect even there you’d probably come on and argue people were suffering PTSD if they lost a little plastic disk.
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I did that in Call of Duty back in 1999 or the early 2000’s.. The Sûreté has yet to come knocking on my door. I keep expecting to see Peter Sellers to show up. 
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