Even gankers have to adapt. As either the Meta changes or Haulers, miners, and others try different combinations and change how they fly. Everyone is always looking for that sweet spot that makes it harder or easier to shoot at each other.
For Industrialist like myself. I rarely go into nullsec alone and mostly fleet up when mining in lowsec. In highsec I know that gankers are out there and take appropriate caution. Whether I am going out to Dodoxie or Jita in one of my haulers. I am planning the trip carefully and doing what I need to reduce the chances of getting ganked.
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Not being funny or awkward or anything, but they might be in the wrong game. The goal of a game is to get challenged mentally, a lot of people get their gratification this way. Real Eve players have long since known delayed gratification is a great feeling. There needs to be an understanding of who Eve appeals to.
There are lots of games where the main feature was instant gratification, Eve was more suited to a gamer who wanted delayed gratification as there weren’t that many type of games on the market.
Well yes, I’m sorry but had the miners paid attention to the advertising and marketing and guidlelines direct from CCP they should have seen that this is a pvp game. I’m actually beginning to question weather these complainers are actually real sci-fi fans…IT IS ALWAYS, the mining community that gets picked on in any sci-fi story, film or tv show I have ever seen, again, why are some people super shocked and surprised to see this in a sci-fi video game?
If a miner isn’t going to ask “right, how do we fight these guys” or “right, lets do mining from within a pvp corp and perhaps see if we can learn some pvp to eventually defend ourselves” then this might be the wrong game for them, they are the hero of their own story and any story we have ever seen in our whole lives involves the hero trying to adapt defend themselves or triumph over their oppressors.
Don’t take eve so seriously, go mining in dirt cheap frigates or crusers that have mining bonuses, then when they get destroyed, laugh and say “GF” in local. Then go figure out a way to avoid the frigate or cruiser being destroyed while mining.
There are a lot more like me. We just do not get heard as much. Those that rage quit like the above poster. it is almost always a case of I thought I would be the exception. That what the ads showed was not as common as it was showing. Or assuredly what I see on twitch or youtube is not that prevalent.
Those people come into the game with preconceived idea that the game will cut them slack. When it doesn’t and surprise that person is not the exception. The inevitable rage quit post happens.
Which leads into the discussion of new player retention. But that is a different topic. Though somewhat related. Ganking itself is not the current problem.
The abuse of certain corps in wardeccing a dozen or more corps. Just to be able to legally gank around trade hubs and systems leading to trade hubs has become a problem.
Suicide ganking was always a polarizing feature. There wasn’t even one discussion about it that wasn’t full of flaming, trolling and personal attacks.
The only way to truly see what players think about suicide ganking is to have CCP + CSM organized campaign and a poll with as many participants as possible. It would require effort from CCP’s side to coordinate filtering main accounts from alts, so that one person would have one poll entry (I know this can’t be perfect, but it can be “good enough”). This would be required in order to avoid a perception of favoritism due to multiboxing.
That’s the only way to have a constructive opinion on suicide ganking.
You are now free to continue with trolling and flaming until the thread gets locked.
It would have to be a very private one on one with everyone to make it happen. Anything public on the forums would result in flames, accusations, retaliation, and insults. Both sides would have opinions that the other side would troll.
The suggestion is there. It’s up to CSM and CCP to see if they want it or not. I don’t care either way, since I’m not paid to think about it or a member of CSM.
I just thought that it’s bad that no one even thought to gather some real feedback on a topic which repeats itself for decades with the same results - toxic, unconstructive threads with extreme opinions from both sides of the argument.
Maybe they will take the suggestion.. Maybe not. At this point it seems that it has landed at the bottom of a very long list of things. That CCP has decided it should be concentrating on.
What I have seen is that those that indulge in suicide ganking has found a way around it by wardecing multiple corps. Even dissolving the corp to create a new one. To get around the two week cool down period. Just so that they can legally gank ships in highsec. I guess losing to many catalysts is not as fun or as profitable as it once was.
As said, I do spend most of my time in hisec but, to be fair (cue letter kenney montage) I would bet most null sec folks have a hisec alt or three. I am just the most vocal about things specific to hisec.
the assumption made, in case you didnt look up high enough, was that CSM doesn’t know Hisec exists, which is why i mentioned you.. since yannow, you was CSM several times.
Polarizing means that it divides the community into two extreme opinions with very little middle ground, and it’s constantly discussed, like it this thread.
