I will chime in here with the following commentary;
@Fifie_Brindacier you hit the nail on the head. There might be only 5 of these regular toxic forum trolls ono here but we all know who they are by now. The issue with Eve isn’t as much the game, but people like them who give new users a very poor image of this game. My room mate, who plays a lot more online games than I do, says Eve is too toxic for him, and he plays some pretty nasty games. He spends more money than I do on the games too. I have tried to win him over to giving Eve a try but then he points out players such as this and tells me he doesn’t need it. This is what holds back a lot of great PvP games is toxic players running rampant. Nothing we can do about it, just point and laugh at them.
@Io_Koval I think it would be a poor idea to make high sec more dangerous as well. We already face suicide gankers, thankfully I was hauling a load of ore to Dodixie and was warned by a player in local not to proceed on course as there was a suicide ganker on the gate. I went the long way around and avoided them. I thanked the informant in game mail and tipped the 1 million ISK. I had a load worth 25 million on me.
In conclusion, I may sound salty at times about Eve, I may joke about people or comments in this forum. However I don’t blatantly attack people’s ideas based on who they are, the color of their avatar, their choice of ship, or their factional alignment. The other day, I was over at the career center in Amarr, helping new people with their career missions. This won’t make me any ISK, just makes new players enjoy the game more. Maybe they will leave or maybe they will remember the kindness and stick around.
BTW the only “mini-game” we have at present is the Covid connect-the-dots puzzle game. Once in blue moon I will play that on long voyages. It is just as bad as watching the grass grow.
The only poor image I have of EVE is the atrociously hateful posts on this forum from members who should’ve already been banned.
The issue is it’s a hard game already and the developers have made sure it’s even harder by not fixing it or fully completing it so the user has all the relevant information to make good decisions. They preferred to “not give the players everything on a silver platter” and that makes the game even harder to play. Add to that players who’d rather rip you off than help and players who only see other players as a meal and so of course the “learning curve is steep”.
I know, I figured my unpopular idea wouldn’t land. I would like to make one small correction: „You only face suicide gankers in high sec.“ Once upon a time, piracy used to have a rich tapestry across all space including High Sec and suicide ganking of mining barges was just a very specific minority that came once per year in a player event called Hulkaggeddon. Happy to share more of this history, but High Sec is safer than ever. You only have them left.
And as you yourself note, that means more boring than ever. This is where I have trouble understanding your idea. You seem like a smart guy, which is why I have trouble understanding your idea of „It is simply too boring, pirates gave me a small crumb of excitement in the form of a detour, and I think it’s be bad for the game to expand upon that, instead I want it safer and more boring“.
Without suicide gankers you’d literally have no other reason to ever not take a high sec gate, and you could fully concentrate on Project Discovery during a haul. The idea versus the problem it claims to solve comes across to me as very incongruous.
I hope the above doesn’t come across as a criticism of you personally. Just the idea.
I do attack ideas on the merits and stated goals and principles behind them. However, I do find your idea of „don’t make high sec more dangerous“ (which I disagree with with) completely at odds with your values of „High Sec hauling is really boring“ (which I share).
And by the way, my position isn’t a „new“ one for Eve. I am simply advocating for a return to 2010 and 2011 Eve online as the „more dangerous“ High Sec to me was what I was introduced to. So a lot of my claimed benefits aren’t speculation: they were simply the way things were.
I know, „rose tinted glasses“ and all that. But those conversations of „given danger should be reintroduced, what kind of danger should be reintroduced“ is a very different conversation, but never seems to take place on the forums.
And that is all you need to know. If a person’s actions, goals and words don’t align that means said person is lying, deceiving, scheming and trying to manipulate. They con’t care what they have to say, they don’t even mean it, they just want to convince others to see things their way and reach their goal.
And THAT means that pretty much nothing they will say matters, has merit or should be taken at face value. It actually means there’s very little point in actually debating their points because you’re wasting your time and the more attention and effort you give them the more they enjoy it.
The solution thus is to NOT actually waste time on them and instead go “lol no, I see what you’re doing” and then stop bothering.
If you are hauling or moving anything expensive you really should be using Eve Gatecheck. Very useful.
I use it every time I head to jita, or have to pass through certain gates that are historically camped.
As for Fifie, don’t listen to her. She considers anyone that has an opposing viewpoint or a view point that doesn’t align exactly with hers as “toxic internet trolls that should be banned.” Notice who is constantly the one calling to censor people and have them removed from the forums because they have a different view point and ask yourself this. “Who really is the toxic vitriolic individual here.”
Io has a lot of great insight and has been a long enduring member of this game. EvE isn’t for everyone. But the question is, do you enjoy it? Just because your friend doesn’t, doesn’t mean that you don’t have to.
Personally I find LoL waaaay more toxic than this game.
I must have missed the part where he hit the players up for ISK? I issue ganker alerts myself and I sure don’t ask to get paid for it. I take it you are just being pissy because we rat you out? When I say there is a ganker in system X on gate Y, you can find out for yourself. @Xuxe_Xu and @Ax_l_Thorne
Also two other points to be made here; the services mentioned take time to update. Darkstar said “suicide ganker”, which means the only time you get wreckage is after the fact. These services are useless to detect a true suicide ganker waiting for a big hauler to arrive on a gate. When it happens the hauler is toast and so is the ganker.
My method for hauling large loads is to send my corvette through the next 2 to 3 gates. Then it returns, trashed and the hauler moves ahead. As stated before, I haven’t lost much in the way of ships, most are just the corvettes I use to rat out the gate gankers. When they get wasted, I leave the load sit in dock for another attempt later. Time consuming? Yes, but apparently more successful.
@Io_Koval I wasn’t suggesting to make space more dangerous to alleviate the boredom of space travel. Just place some optional mini games in there to avoid the repetition of 20 to 30 jumps. I understand what you are saying as well. That would be akin to typical MMOs. If I am playing a game riding a horse from town A to town B, I get attacked on the road by bandits, I could fight or flee. But that isn’t optional. I wouldn’t be against it, except for the fact the players can already warp bomb you. I think that is the term used? The ganker sits in the path between gates and bombs the ships out of warp. Once again my original suggestion, would be some type of games to play aboard the ship. However the lore of the only person being a pilot in a vat of bio-jello, limits the possibilities of such things.
@Hauler_Joe what do you mean exactly? Do you really want to buy your ships for cash money as they do in Star Trek Online? The big difference is; when the ship explodes here you don’t get it back.
Or are you talking about low/null sec, if so , why are you warping from gate to gate?
With regard to your frigate scout, you must be flying a t1 hauler , presumably carrying garbage, as for valuable cargo, you would use a t2 that doesn’t need a scout in high sec unless @Destiny_Corrupted is on the other side of that gate, then you screwed.
My advice does not come free, you owe me - £100 million ISK.
I didn’t read all the past posts. I did read some of them. Nonetheless, I’m sure they were all very constructive and well thought out.
I began playing EVE around 2005 and stopped playing around 2009. I was on when we had 60,000 concurrent players. I began my gaming hobby with Everquest back in its early days. I stopped playing that when I found EVE online.
I never did or was much in the game back then. BoB was the big corp I believe, but I really enjoyed playing EVE. And now that I’m back, it still has some of the same feel which is nice.
How to get EVE back into a new golden age? I don’t know. I will say though that the basic template of the game from 2005 to 2009 (even learning skills) was spot on for the type of player that enjoys the type of game EVE online is. I think that is the key though. A very particular type of game for a particular type of player. FF14 this game is not and thank Gheinok the First for that!
So, why try and attract a FF14 type of player? Do what EVE does best and we may see 60,000 concurrent players again. Go back to the basics.
What EVE was missing back then was PvE and still sort of is. How to increase the PvE element of EVE without FF14’ing the PvP element? That’s the golden ticket from my perspective anyway.
Yes, you can get smart bombed in highsec. The server works in 1 second ticks. So if you know the warp speed of the ship you are bombing… you set yourself up in one of those tick locations and start the bombs when the target enters warp. Its common for shuttles like Leopards.
