What do you think would bring eve into a new golden age

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Oh please. The only words that haven’t left your mouth yet are Boomer, generational wealth, and reparations…

There are no excuses. We got ganked back in the day just like everyone else. We had to start from nothing just like everyone else. We had exactly zero advantages. New players no longer have to worry about training learning skills before you could even start training actual skills, SP loss upon pod death, hell we didn’t even have mining ships and had to do it in cruisers with a whopping 400m3 cargo hold…

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Why would I use those words? I don’t massively generalize people based on when they were born.

What has ganking got to do with it?

You may have had zero advantages on day 1 but between then and now veteran players most definitely have had advantages that new players don’t have. Yeah, not having learning skills is a plus, but when those learning skills were removed the reimbursements were favorable meaning that effectively you also didn’t have to learn them. It’s not like they removed them and said “hard luck, guess that time was wasted”.

I’m not the one trying to claim I’m better than other players. You’re not a superior person for playing EVE. EVE is not some game where only the smarter and most skilled players succeed and when you try to use it as a crutch to assert your own superiority you’re just embarrassing yourself. It’s just a game and any idiot can succeed at playing it, they always could. It’s certainly not the case that veterans required significantly more skill than new players now.

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Such as? This should be good…

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Its a mistake to not give people who enjoy farmville a spot in Eve. I’m actually surprised since your content seems to be based such a player existing in the game.

Also, “enjoy” is a relative term - I mean just look at what you do.

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You’re arguing against someone’s imagined perception of other people’s experience. They toss in a few facts here and there, but can otherwise just make up whatever they like around that flimsy framework. This is precisely how the past gets invented…including any mythical ‘golden age’. And yet, we all know that the first ‘Eve is dead’ occurred just months after the game started…and there was clearly discontent even in 2007 for there to be corp called ‘Eve Is A Joke’.

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this turned into a hell whole scense i was last on

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Threads like this usually do…

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Travel = Time lost.

A New Golden Age could be found with some improvements on traveling across New Eden.

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Like what? An improvement such as instant travel would only make EVE even safer and reduce ship destruction which would be detrimental to the economy of the game. I hate making 58 jumps just like anyone else, but safer travel isn’t the answer…

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I’ve already given you multiple examples.

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99% of the cantankerous stuff would be eliminated if people were only allowed to speak about their own experience and not pretend they know everyone else’s.

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Yep. If we went back to the way EVE used to be, 99% of new players these days would fold and quit…

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Filaments to boost FW involvement such as getting to the hot zones while signed up for FW.

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Would be handy, but again, that would bypass high to low gate camps into those hot zones, thereby reducing ship destruction…

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this is now my second most popluar post

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Longevity does not necessarily mean profits. Is CCP better off than when it started? No, it got bought out by PA. That’s a failure so they didn’t do it right.

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I mean they could have been purcased by microsft

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Doesn’t matter who they got bought out by, the fact that CCP had to sell shows plainly that, no, they didn’t do somethings right.

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true that my point was that it doesn’t matter who did it was still bad for them to have to have been sold

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There really wasn’t a golden age, just a lot of rose-colored glasses, fond but not-very-accurate nostalgia for a few highlights, and several dozen different player types, each of whom remember a different aspect of EVE as “the true EVE and best way to play”.

Whether it’s jetcans or wardecs or awoxing or baiting, scams or new player abuse, someone thinks it was the highlight of EVE. The common element among all these people is their notion that turning back the clock to the EVE code of 10 or 15 years ago will somehow magically fix things. (Pro tip - it was broken back then, and would still be broken now.)

Lots of factors made a big difference between then and now: population demographics, range of competition, percent ownership of smartphones, prior experience with other MMOs etc. were global ones.

The amount of public opinion available to a search on “Is EVE good to play”, the amount of “how solved is it”, the number of vet players with over a decades head start on you, the number of niches in the game already saturated, the difference between haves and have-nots - these are all EVE-specific factors that came into play over time.

Every older MMO has trouble hanging onto old and gaining new players, that’s the biz. As you’ve noted, EVE still has plenty to offer newer players - if they’re willing to put in roughly 3-4x the effort they would on a different MMO, for a slower payoff. Which is fine, that’s a workable niche.

However, as we’ve already seen from your posts, in about a year and a half you’ve gone from newbie complaining about the imbalance and lameness of vets vs. newbies, to “if you can’t beat’em, join’em” signing up with the “beat on easy targets for fun and profit crowd” and saying how great that was, to a number of posts recently that point out multiple issues with poor decisions and design on CCP’s part.

Project that forward another 2 years and you’ll be part of the bitchy bittervet crowd you’ve been blaming for the downfall of EVE.

Virtually all the problems that plague EVE were there in some form from the beginning, and you can find complaints about them in the first 2-3 years of posts. They were just being glossed over and ignored because there was still a lot to explore and ‘solve’, and players kept assuming CCP would get around to fixing those issues.

Except… CCP didn’t. They put interesting stuff in the game for about the first 6 years, and since around 2010 they’ve mostly just been stumbling and staggering from one fiasco to the next.

If I was to answer the OP’s question honestly, it would be “Retire Hilmar, Berger, Rattati, and the next top 3 decision makers. Put people who have a clue about the game (like Aurora and a few others) in charge. And then spend some of the EVE money on hiring actual talent to work on EVE and show players there’s something promising coming to them”.

That’s really the only approach that has a hope of success.

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