yeah ok, so… spend your time to prove that im wrong, instead of shitposting in here.
if i was wrong, im pretty sure someone would have proved me wrong with graphs already…
people love to prove other people wrong.
Okay, here is my view and feel free to point out any mistakes.
You are saying that one loki (a T3 cruiser whichs costs 280,000,000.00 and requires 60 days of training to fly) can 1v1 a dreadnought ( A capital ship whichs costs over 1bil and requires 107 days of training to fly) and win, but only under specific circumstances, being that it is far enough away that the dread can do 0 damage at all to it.
Part of the combat of eve is keeping your enemy at optimal range and you learn this from the start. You start learning this from the start of the game, and this is the reason that mwd’s and afterburners are very important in almost any fit.
So, yes 1 loki can beat 1 dread under very specific circumstances, but from what I can tell (and feel free to correct me on this) the dread can beat the loki under any other circumstances.
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You havent brought any data to the table. Look let me explain whats happening here.
You are saying that it is self-evident that Lokis outperform Dreadnaughts.
But it ISNT self evident. You need to show us that this is a fact.
Otherwise your statement: Caps are underpowered or Lokis are overpowered.
Is not more true than this statement: No they arent.
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well, first id like to point out the obvious flaw about putting up a 1vs1.
1 loki maybe cant even break the passive regen… so its kinda dumb to compare the two.
and also, as you point out;
apart of eve is beeing in optimals…
And this is the basis of what i have said so many times.
No, a dred cannot kill a loki (or even hit a loki) if the loki is in its own optimal range.
(for projectiles, what is considerd “optimal” is more or less the same as “optimal+falloff” distance)
The dred guns that are abe to hit the lokis - is out of range of lokis optimal.
the dred gun that is in optimal of lokis, are unable to hit the loki.
the dred will use a siege module, making it unable to move on its own. (but can still be bumped so its not really immovable…)
or it forgo the siege module and do 5 dps.
(thus, any propmods discussion and pilot flying skills are not avaible to be apart of this 1vs1)
one idea could be to make the siege module improve the range, aswell.
You kinda would need to know this in order to actually make a case for your changes, once we find out what those changes are
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Fair enough, but each are strong in their own way. If a dread was in optimal range, the loki would already be dead.
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Please refrain from swearing.
So you are telling us that you are enough of an authority on Caps to know they need changed, but you dont even know if a Loki can break a Dread’s passive regen?
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1st. dont tell me to take the “highroad” and “refrain from swearing” after you just told me to “shut the ■■■■ up”…
you have already made your purpose and agenda clear, you are here to shitpost and bait an offtopic disscusion.
2nd, as all things eve, it depends on the fit of the dred.
if the dred fit offers any passive regen, then its a case of “maybe”
if the dred is 100% buffer fit, then obvious!
the dred will die in a 1vs1 brawl with the loki.
and im sorry i dont feel like making spreadsheets and printscreen of pyfa to convince you, as i know you will just find some minescule unrelated detail in thoose and start to hammer them with all your shitposting might.
Nope, youve decided that, I have not deviated from topic or made any insulting remarks.
So you arent going to use evidence to support your claim because you are afraid someone wil find a fault with it?
You aren’t particularly convinced of this yourself are you? This is now a point of pride for you isn’t it?
Yeah if you are going to get all emotive on me, then yeah youve pretty much sunk yourself here.
If you wanna discuss this, publish some facts. If not, good luck finding anyone (expect perhaps Beast of Revelations) to agree with you.
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ok, this is the last mssage you are able to bait of me…
but yeah, you just told me to prove things to you or stfu.
as stated before and again…
the dred can NOT apply damage to the loki, and thats why the loki will win after xxx minutes.
grow up kid and please get out of my thread.
Anyone else want to try and extract sense from the OP?
They are about to have an eppy so maybe best not.
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Didn’t CCP change the weapons on caps because people were using them to blap sub caps with impunity?
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Certainly the data that exists now suggests their use as Structure Bombardiers is the primary function. I didnt get in any caps until the last few years, so not really sure on that one.
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Yes they did change it, and quite obviously they nerfed them too hard, making them completley useless outside of pve.
no, capitls are mainly used for ratting and are prime targets for AFK cloaky campers. that bridge in lokis or bombers.
structure bashing is bestdone in something that will not get 1-shotted by a structure bomb.
and structure has a max incoming dps limit, so bringing capitals for structure bash is simply an flex.
Well I guess you know more about it than EvE-Uni.
Ratting is not considered one of their primary roles, and neither is Sub-Battleship engagement either.
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You’re an idiot.
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Huh. And now the flagging has begun.
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Interesting that almost every experienced cap FC and PvP pilot in the game regards caps as being rather oppressive, and then there’s this small handful of bears who persist in lying about them being underpowered. 
Looks like what this actually is is a stealth? afk cloaking thread, though.
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Wouldn’t the dread just warp away?
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I’m sorry, has this fruitful thread achieved anything yet?
Did CCP change the game to make OP happy?
When can we count on that happening?
Obviously this thread isn’t completely pointless and only serving the OP, right?
It’s meant to have a higher purpose, right? There definitely is an actual point to it, right?
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