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all i see is a little child that wins argument by screaming the loudest, going for personal attacks and changing the subjects… BYE
Ye no idea where i got that from…
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so where do i say 100 capital vs 100 subcaptial?
all im saying that 100 cruisers is better then 100 capitals in 98.9% of circumstances.
Bye, please dont come back; stupid uneducated posts that rely on numbers pulled out of thin air are the bane of the eve-o forums.
You literally just add tracking computers, why are you so simple?
Hint, because you’ve probably never actually flown a dread: You can kick out your nestor and refit them at will.
if my post are uneducated and “pulled from thin air”… how come, ccp are changing it more into the lines of my vision, a month after i posted it?
that was the post above your “your a moron” post… like… get some iq man.
oh wow is that true?
only 1 extra tracking computer… not 4-5 tracking computers?!
its completley valid to throw out all tank for tracking computers?!
wow nice i did not know this!
thank YOU mr pro dred pilot!!
ps.
you mean i even refit in combat? 
woow… thats nice!
ps2. pls link me the fit you are using for 137km haw dred fit !
ps3. im sorry for calling you this thread nr#1 shitposter, you truley knows your stuff…
tracking computers… like lol… why didnt i think of that … wow… so easy solutions…
The lone 137km loki you keep fantasizing about does close to zero DPS at that range. What is it that you’re tanking, exactly?
And unless you have a very sexually confused dread, revs and moros don’t tank in their mids.
The difficulty here is that you keep presenting profoundly stupid, nonsensical scenarios, and then when literally everyone else says, “That’s stupid, here’s why” you try to either move the goalposts, or act as if it was actually someone else who presented your stupid scenario (which is truly bizarre behavior, btw, given that everyone can read the thread).
ps3. im sorry for calling you this thread nr#1 shitposter, you truley knows your stuff…
tracking computers… like lol… why didnt i think of that … wow… so easy solutions…
Probably because you were very intent on lying about HAWs not being able to shoot that far, and so you opted to pretend like a trivial solution didn’t exist because you’re generally dishonest, would be my guess. 
Yeah no, i have been adement in 1 loki vcs 1 dred in a theoratical battle.
you are the ones who put this 1vs1 into real situations, then you start your arguments from your very own “goalposts” saying that its stupid, and i agree, you and your arguments are kinda stuid and offtopic and quite frankley, bizzare to me, but im guessing you dont want lokis to get nerfed… WELL TOO LATE.
ps. no, the loki does full dps at 137km.
i dont understand why you would say that the loki does close to 0 dps at that range.
also. nice try shifting the focus.
link the damn haw dred with 137km range. that you claim is possible with tracking computers
In a theoretical battle, the loki loses. Unless you’re piloting the dread, apparently. But if anyone else is, that’s what happens.
I don’t really give a ■■■■ about lokis at all. Everything that sits at the top of the meta for a while gets knocked down after a bit - that’s literally how this works. You’re stupid, though, if you think it has anything to do with “loki Vs cap” ship instead of their just having dominated the subcap meta for a while.
Hey, ■■■■ for brains: That was a different poster. It is, however, easy to confirm.
link the damn haw dred with 137km range.
that you claim is possible with tracking computers
nope. the dred cant apply damage to the loki at that range, but the loki can do damage, but cant scram the dred…
the loki wins, by a kill or most likley by the dred warping off.
That was a different poster, dumbass. Were you dropped?
yeah… im seeing alot of insults from you, and you claim stuff…
you claim im saying things, and you are claiming things your self…
when i ask you to prove the stuff, or say “i never said that”…
you change the subject and/or insult me.
hm… yes. nr1 shitposter… its you.
now stop invalidating my request for a haw dred fit with the range of 137km with
"oh it was madeby another "…
and just link the dred fit.
ps.
prove that im lieing about haw dreds cant shoot that far
It was a different person who told you that. I do agree with it, but I’m not sure why it’s suddenly my problem to do your pyfa warrioring for you. Here you go, though, this will shoot your 137km loki EASILY. Dealer’s choice on the remaining lows.
[Revelation, copy]
Signal Amplifier II
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Siege Module II
Auto Targeting System II
Quad Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch XL
Quad Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch XL
Quad Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch XL
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
[Empty Rig slot]
This will put about 500 DPS on your loki fit at 137 km… before you fit the rest of the ship. Also note that your loki deals about 25 dps at that range.
thats nice.
You picked the Rev, the only dred can hit out to that range.
i knew this was the only fit that could handle the loki going into this thread, right from the start.
and i told myself, anyone arguing this i could always argue back:
althou, this fit (the best capital fit there is vs a arty loki) will only provide a stalemate vs a loki. 
you see, the best “sniping” capital is just within range of the best sniping t3cruiser.
And its a stalemate between the two !!!
…and the thread is still that i would like capitals to outrange cruisers.
its a shame, you guys rather shitpost then stick to the thread and actully provide arguments that im wrong…
(this fit is the first actual argument you have made in this thread)
and to that i have replied, that its still not good enough for a capital to have a stalement with a t3, which ofc can self rep more then 500dps.
and its kinda lol, that you make your first valid debatable argument…
after the fact that is a mote subject- as the loki will have its range nerfed.
Wow, almost everything you just said was incorrect.
Per usual, you don’t know ■■■■. An identically fit Moros with null xl has an optimal+2x falloff of 191km. It will do about 360 DPS to your loki without further fitting. Still plenty. A nag with barrage has similar performance at that range.
No, it’s definitely not a stalemate - not for the loki fit you linked, anyway. That’s also the damage from a half-fit dread, and cold. It goes up from there, substantially.
Huh seems like theyre removing subcap capabilities from caps.
Looks like CCP think dreadnoughts should be like Real Dreadnaughts too.
Whod have guessed that would happen?
carriers and supers… target upto 4k away…
Honestly your whole thread is just full of holes.
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