You win. Games all yours. You guess best.
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Rapid torp launcher launches regular torps not XL.
Dog, this is so wrong.
Leshaks definitely have their value, but this is not a clear cut case of Leshaks rendering vindi’s obsolete. Vindi’s are still considered an optimal ship, and rightly so. First, Vindicators get a web bonus that helps the fleet apply damage and makes them really good for drone bunny duty. Second, they also have no spool, which makes them great for shooting targets that need to be removed from the field quickly (like outinis and arnons). And while I definitely appreciate the DPS leshaks put out on tower bashes, their spoolup time means that Vindicators almost always end up applying more total damage to their targets than leshaks do -and this is especially true now that more and more leshaks are joining fleets, because now they’re far more likely to accidentally spool up on the same targets. Regardless, you can see this by trying to make comparable fits. An “optimal fit” leshak would need around 108 seconds of continuous spool to apply the same amount of damage to a target as the optimal Vindicator. And let’s face it, the only time they get nearly enough time to do that is on tower bashes (hopefully they don’t get jammed by the constantly respawning niarja!) and late night/noob heavy fleets that are dragging with their site times. AND, that’s assuming the knuckleheads didn’t put nimesis implants in.
I don’t know what you mean by efficiency, but in terms of the price to performance ratio, hybrids are really good -that’s why they’re still used in ganking, and that’s one of the reasons they make for popular doctrine ships. As for isk efficiency in PvE, yes, they have lost some of their luster since the OP trig ships have been introduced, but so have all other weapon platforms to varying degrees. Moreover, none of this makes blaster ships bad or worthless. You have to look at the cost, risk involved, and other ship bonuses and attributes in order to pick the right tool for the job. Yes, I believe that trig ships have replaced blaster boats as the right tool for the job in many cases, but blaster boats have not been rendered obsolete.
Anyway, people on the internet can get a little combative (I can be guilty of this myself sometimes). Don’t let it get to you. They can smell your frustration.
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A 2020 armchair quarterback.
The mere fact this even exists…is PROOF that EvE is for the idiot savants of the interwebs.
And that’s a good thing, cuz I’m just an idiot.
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The fact I was having a joke with someone else and you butted in notwithstanding…
So what is the point in your demand that they become invulnerable?
You just want a super ship that cant be destroyed. Admit it, and stop calling people who point this out trolls.
You are the troll with this stupid idea.
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Facts mean nothing to this person.
Can you expand on this? In what way?
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I love Caps…at the start of a sentence.
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What i dislike?
PVP favor…
Not valid in todays mmog anymore…there are much more carebears then cavemen outside the pvp bubble…
A game that is loosing players should ask why and not stubbornly continuing its path like done since 2004…
What was it again this thread reminds me of?
Ahhh…this
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Mara! How are you doing?
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Thx for asking 
. Home office. No corona so far, but a little uneasy.
Brought my mother into hospital today. They preponed a surgery originally planned for april. At 87 she really is a high-risk patient. They’ll send her back home to us as soon as possible, since all rehabilitation clinics are shutting down. At the moment, no one there takes new patients.
So I have to be really careful with social contacts and I’m going to be busy during my vacation in april. No time for EVE, sadly.
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I’m seeing this thread late. I would have warned you that all you’d see would be troll posts, but too late. I also would have warned you that the majority of ‘active’ people on these forums hate capships and want them nerfed into the ground or removed, but again… too late.
Yes. The so-called ‘nano gang’ folks have agitated for years against anything bigger than a cruiser. First they went after battleships years ago. Once they got those relegated to the status of “level 4 mission running ships” that aren’t particularly usable for anything else, they then went after capships. They’ve been after capships ever since.
You have to understand the saying of “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.” These people are far more active in being “squeaky wheels” so of course they are going to get their way because they aren’t opposed by what I assume to be the majority of players. CCP does balance according to forum whine, so it is what it is.
T3 cruisers have always been OP. They were OP when they were introduced. They were OP for years after being introduced (back then the flavor was more Tengu than Loki). After what were supposed to be nerfs, they are still OP. I think they will always be OP.
The only comment I’ll give here is, prepare for more nerfs. There are always nerfs to capships every patch. Last patch they removed HAWs from Titans (because, you know, something as expensive and hard to skill into as a Titan should suck, right?). A patch before that was some other nerf. A patch before that was some other nerf. And, you can be guaranteed that the next patch, and patch after that, and patch after that, will have more and more nerfs.
You don’t seem to understand something. This is “Frigates and Cruisers Online,” not “Eve Online.”
As said in the movie Coolhand Luke, “what we have here is failure to communicate.” The rallying cry of the “nano gangers” and capship haters is “BIGGER SHOULD NOT MEAN BETTER!” By that, they mean that bigger, more expensive, and more difficult to skill into should mean worse, and smaller should mean better.
Enjoy “Frigates and Cruisers Online.”
I knew he would come.
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And you knew RIGHT, bub!
Agreed, the ship tiers defy all logic save for frigates and Titans. The larger the ship the more likely you are to die to smaller ships… which is exactly the opposite of reality.
First, ALL ships should have their EHP quadrupled, frigates to carriers. Super-carrier and titan perhaps a slight increase.
What keeps most players who avoid pvp from pvp is the speed in which fights, especially ganks and gatecamps, are over. The shield warning is already blaring and then you’re at 5% structure before you can even realistically be aware of what is happening. Even in small group, even 1v1.
If fights (aside from TiDi) lasted a decent amount of time I guarantee that more, many more, risk-averse players would be pvping more and more often. I am one of them. More EHP, less weapon dmg. I’d luv a 5 min BS brawl 1v1. Time to maneuver, time to consider range, time to plot a strategy other than screaming for help on Mumbl (“Whisper keys guys… guys, whisper keys… guys…”).
Even a 5-10 v 1-3 would be drawn out. Don’t take EHP away from anything ADD EHP to EVERYTHING and take the edge off of weapons. In a world where 99% of all outcomes are based solely on numbers, nobody wants to play that game. I’ll take a loss, no problem, as long as I at least had a chance to assess the situation.
You’re in your clone pod a dozen or more systems away before you even realize what happened.
THIS is your pre-diffusion barrier to pvp proliferation. Making fights even shorter is like curing Covid with Smallpox.
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Buff sub cap HP, remove caps.
Sounds good to me
A big issue which exists now, which the capship haters created, is that they - the 'el cheapo frig/cruiser pilots - have no risk, where as capship pilots have all the risk.
What do they rat in? Comparatively ‘el cheapo cruisers (VNIs back in the day, Ishtars), and a lot of that is even done AFK. Are they vulnerable to roaming, prowling capships? Answer: no. For one thing, roaming capships don’t even exist. For another thing, on the extremely odd occasion someone is crazy enough to roam/prowl in one (see one of my earlier posts on this), it doesn’t even work - an Ishtar can survive a carrier attack while being completely AFK LOL! But on the zero chance that they do lose a ship from time to time to some crazy, roaming capship pilot? No worries, it was el’ cheapo anyway, and already paid for itself many times over. Just buy a new one, rinse, repeat.
Now, what do we rat in? Carriers, Supercarriers, and Dreadnoughts. Are we vulnerable to roaming gangs of frigates and cruisers? Of course we are. It’s the main thing we ARE vulnerable to. And if we lose the ship (which we will), is it a big loss? Do we lose a lot of ISK? Of course we do. Billions.
Capship pilots have all the risk. “Nano gangs” have NONE.
I’m confused.
Do you lose a lot of ISK, or just billions?
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