What Prevents Abuse of, "Post Hidden by Community Flags"? 📢

Its not even that. offensive stuff for you personally may be the stuff other people enjoy. Its a conflict, and there even reddit have better rules, as they make brigading a bit harder than here. Its not even about what is offensive, its about diference of opinions sometimes.

something is offensive when it aims at attacking a person/argument.
By this definition, any argument is offensive.
Now if we consider that prohibited posts are those which attack the person and not the argument (ad hominem), then even posts that judge an idea/argument in a general way (such as saying “your rules are stupid” ) can be considered as offensive.
And of course there is the area where people question the experience of the author, as a valid basis for his argument… is it attacking the person, as a basis for his argument ? or the argument, as based on the person ?

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Something does not have to be offensive, to be flagged. If that were true, and if every system that claims that there is no automated moderation going on, were being honest, then brigading would never work, and it wouldn’t be a thing.

It is a thing, it does work. Human moderation comes into play often I suspect, and I would even be willing to believe that human moderation can and does Undo automated Mass flagging.

The point is, flagging posts is still considered to be part of the meta of any online forum. Because it works.

Please explain how that ↑ violated any of those rules. Maybe it’s just “personal”…

Why they are even hidden? You can change the post content multiple times, also you can show them. Its another stupid discourse non-feature.

The real forums have something like BLOCK or MUTE so you dont even bother watching who writes what. if you dont agree with them or they are terible trolls.

Also real forums have big, rectangular avatars.

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I’ve recently had a post flagged which was on topic, not insulting, and did not break any of the rules I see listed. The worst that could be said of it was that it was a somewhat harsh response to a Dev post.

That said, the flag notification also said “You have the option to edit the post which will re-display it” or something like that. I edited it (mildly), and after a day or so, it was re-displayed. Also, for the most part, anyone who is curious can still see the original post.

Any open forum where someone has to make a call on things will occasionally result in false positives. And of course, will frequently result in trolls/off-topic poster yelling that their post was wrongly flagged.

Overall, the system seems to be working okay, at least to me.

Yes, if you edit a flagged post so that none of the special snowflakes could possibly be offended… although that really defeats the whole point of any kind of discussion.

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Good @ISD_Norros review mine, and I would like to request action against the troll that is following me from thread to thread.

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Heres a good abuse, 10 likes and hidden by the groupie troll that is following me:
https://forums.eveonline.com/t/this-post-pretty-much-sums-it-up-high-sec-gankers-say-they-are-better-than-null-and-low-pvpers/110396/5

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You would be wise suggesting a change of the system.

There should be an age/post limit for people to flag. Participation is key. People who don’t, or rarely participate on the forums shouldn’t be able to flag. As it is now, any and all alts can keep flagging. Making that harder would be wise, otherwise a single person can just use his alt farm to decide who is hidden and who isn’t. Forcing him to actually use all of his characters for participating on the forums would be wise and makes perfect sense. Someone who isn’t ever participating shouldn’t be able to influence what’s going on. Make them work for their priviledges.

ISDs should be able to lock a post into “unhidden” state. A reviewed post, which is not being removed, is still hidden. That not only makes no sense, it enables abuse. A single person can decide who is hidden and who isn’t.

People should be punished for continuously flagging post which in no way or form are offensive or rule breaking. The current system allows a single person to just use his alt farm to flag posts of which he believes they should be hidden.

People should not be able to hide behind “everything’s a matter of perspective”. This just enables serious abuse and is, quite honestly, nonsense anyway.

Thanks.

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But… They won’t be.

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I know they won’t be, because no one’s going to change the system.
Doesn’t change the fact that the current system is in a serious need of change.
Far more than what I’ve written above, actually.

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You are telling this is the worst post, which is offence by itself ; then that the people who wrote it is butthurt, whih is another offence. You definitely deserved that mute. Baring the fact that you posted in a troll topic, so anyhow you deserve to be trolled.

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Well that is the thing, in that case the whole point of the topic is to incite and create division.

Not really sure why it was never locked :slight_smile:

But it does show how unevenly the rules are applied, the fact that the whole thread is open is evidence of it.

If thread is a designated troll thread, then trolling should be allowed and even backed up by CCP, like for example Falcon saying HTFU. That stupid post hiding only disturbs proper trolling in a thread where its practitioned and works the best.

We need a part of forum that is not moderated by this stupid post hiding and where posts are not hidden. I think it should be general discussion.

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Really I see no reason for hiding at all. I always read the hidden posts :rofl:

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I don’t care about having a specific section of the forum with troll, but I agree that when a topic is trollolol to the bone, then there should not be a so strict inquisition.

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I speak out on ganking all the time. I’m sure by now all the main forum names associated with ganking are familiar with my posts. The only post I can recall having flagged was one where it deserved it because I did get a bit abusive, so I edited it and dialed it back.
This clearly shows that they don’t just flag anyone who disagrees with them. Try engaging with them to create ideas where you feel enabled alongside them rather than just attacking them and telling them they shouldn’t exist perhaps.

Maybe nobody cares what you post, so nobody cares to flag it. If you bother someone by having a strongly opposing idea, then they would rather flag you for being offensive. Especially if discussion heats up.

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that’s the position of a few “HTFU” crybabies. Which actually are more in the “If you don’t suicide gank you are a carebear” than on the discussion side.
I just again told them that “correlation is not causation” because a lot of CODE people(which means, alts) want it to be this way, and then I link a satirical image that basically says there is a correlation between the size of the biggest plane on earth and the percentage of autism in the population, while obviously there is no causation relation ; and this image is flagged as inappropriate for … ? just for saying I don’t agree with them.

So YES CODE. crybabies use this strategy to silence people who expose how bad their reasoning is.

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