Who Speaks for the Crew? ⚔️

Communications Center General Discussion
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Every day in highsec, freighters are ambushed. Battleships are butchered. Haulers are annihilated in broad daylight. And with every killmail, something’s missing:

The crew.

Tens of thousands of civilian crew members, engineers, cooks, janitors, conscripts, and slaves die in silence. These are not capsuleers. They do not wake up in a clone bay. They do not get second chances.

They burn. :fire:

:chart_decreasing: CONCORD Reacts. It Does Not Protect.

Capsuleers are allowed to commit mass murder in the heart of Empire space. Repeat offenders travel freely through trade lanes in ships specifically fit for suicide attacks, knowing they can strike with near impunity.

Why is this allowed? CONCORD doesn’t stop crime. It only punishes it after the fact. Sometimes it responds quickly, sometimes not at all.

Meanwhile, over 4,000 crew members aboard a freighter can be wiped out in under 15 seconds.

:hammer_and_wrench: Proposed Changes

This is not a balance complaint. It is a request to address a glaring hole in EVE’s lore and immersion. If highsec ganking is going to remain part of the game, then let’s acknowledge its human cost.

:white_check_mark: Crew Loss Notifications

Add a “crew lost” line to killmails, with numbers based on ship class. Let players see how many lives were aboard when their ship was destroyed.

:white_check_mark: Crew Insurance Premiums

Allow players to purchase civilian insurance that provides partial reimbursement when crewed ships are destroyed by criminal aggression. This adds immersion and reinforces consequences for unlawful actions.

:white_check_mark: Civilian Protection LP Faction

Introduce a new faction or agent network focused on civilian rescue, crew recovery, or anti-pirate operations. Players who actively prevent the destruction of civilian-carrying ships would be rewarded accordingly.

:white_check_mark: Public Crew Death Trackers

Integrate crew casualty stats into killboards, allowing players to see the number of lives lost in addition to the ISK value.

:eye: Let’s Stop Pretending

When a Catalyst destroys a freighter, it isn’t just a PvP moment.

It is the destruction of a mobile city.

Capsuleers come back. The crew does not.

It’s time New Eden started treating that reality with the weight it deserves.

Crew Lives Matter.

#CLM #WhoSpeaksForTheCrew

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The Coming Rebellion

Let’s be honest. If thousands of non-capsuleer crew members were dying every day in high-security space, the public wouldn’t just grumble.

They would riot.

There would be outrage in the streets of Dodixie.
There would be public unrest on Caldari Prime.
Minmatar laborers and freed slaves would begin arming themselves.
Amarr Holders would face internal revolt as slave losses mount.
Gallente news media would be running live coverage of flaming wrecks and mass funerals 24 hours a day.

These aren’t capsuleers. They are civilians. Logistics workers. Forced laborers. Families. Engineers. Clones without backups. Every time a freighter explodes in Uedama, thousands of people die. There are no escape pods. No clone bays. Just silence and fire.

And the empires say nothing.

This is a ticking bomb.

  • Citizens see CONCORD refusing to act.
  • Megacorporations watch their profits evaporate as freighters burn.
  • Families grieve and demand justice.
  • Local systems face panic, instability, and unrest.

At what point does “PvP content” become a humanitarian crisis in the lore?

A Reckoning Is Coming

If the empires continue to ignore these deaths, the people will not. There is only so long you can tell trillions of citizens that their lives don’t matter. That their sons and daughters can be turned into wreckage just to feed a killmail addiction.

Sooner or later, there will be consequences.

And when that day comes, it won’t be a Catalyst landing the final blow.

It’ll be the crew.

Crew Lives Matter.

#CLM #TheComingRebellion

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:satellite_antenna: DNN BREAKING REPORT

“Mass Casualties in Highsec: Civilian Crew Deaths Spark Public Outcry”
Filed YC 127.6.12 | Reporter: Elan Rho, DNN Anchor – Luminaire Bureau

[Luminaire] – In what is being described as the “silent genocide of New Eden,” public outrage is growing over the escalating number of civilian deaths aboard capsuleer vessels destroyed in high-security space.

An independent analysis released this week estimates that over 1.2 million non-capsuleer crew members have died in the last 30 days alone, most in so-called “suicide gankings” carried out in core trade lanes such as Uedama, Niarja, and Perimeter.

These are not soldiers. These are service technicians, conscripts, engineers, and forced laborers. In many cases, they are citizens of the very empires that claim to protect high-security space.

“My husband worked sanitation on a Providence-class freighter. He wasn’t a soldier. He died screaming in fire while CONCORD stood by and watched.”
– Lanya Toren, Gallente widow, in a tearful interview broadcast across Essence

:eye: Public Opinion Turns Ugly

Riots have already broken out on Caldari Prime and in several Gallente orbital arcologies following reports that multiple ganking fleets suffered zero losses due to insurance fraud loopholes and pre-planned criminal logistics chains.

Meanwhile, protests erupted outside the Amarr Royal Court after reports confirmed that more than 60,000 slave laborers have died aboard Holder-owned freighters since YC 126.

“We are nothing to the capsuleers. Just biomass between them and a killmail.”
– Turok N’Dari, survivor of the Okagaiken freighter massacre, YC 127.5.29

:chart_decreasing: Economic Fallout Mounts

Several Caldari megacorporations are now demanding additional protection measures after logistics chains suffered catastrophic disruptions due to repeated Catalyst strikes in Lonetrek and The Forge.

The Ishukone Corporation issued a rare public statement, calling for “urgent review of capsuleer freedom and CONCORD’s enforcement protocols” and warning of “serious trade destabilization.”

:stop_sign: No Clone, No Escape

Unlike capsuleers, civilian crew lack access to cloning technology. Capsuleer death is a brief inconvenience. For everyone else on board, it is instant, permanent annihilation.

CONCORD remains officially silent.

The Directive Enforcement Department released a brief statement this morning, claiming that “current response protocols remain within acceptable loss thresholds.”

:loudspeaker: The Question on Everyone’s Lips:

“How many more must die before the Empires act?”

Crew Lives Matter. The cluster is watching.

This is Elan Rho, DNN – live from Luminaire.

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:scroll: Transcript of Sermon Delivered at the Cathedral of Saint Jamyl the Unshaken

Location: Oris, Amarr Prime
Cleric: High Prelate Alaric Torvan, Voice of Doctrine, Order of Divine Balance
Date: YC 127.6.12
Occasion: Vigil for the Lost Crews of the Imperial Freighter “Golden Providence”

“The Ignored Martyrs of Empire”

“For He sees all who serve in silence, and none who perish in duty shall go unremembered.”
– Book of Missions, 4:17

Brothers and sisters of Holy Amarr, we gather today not in celebration, but in mourning. Not in triumph, but in reckoning.

Yesterday, the freighter Golden Providence, a vessel carrying sacred supplies and 8,213 faithful crew, was destroyed in the system of Madirmilire. The ship was struck down not in war, but in high-security space, within the watchful gaze of CONCORD, near the passive optics of the Federation, and close enough to the Empire’s own patrols that we must now question their vigilance.

All souls aboard were lost.

These were not capsuleers. They were men and women. Servants. Custodians. Clerics. Slaves and freemen alike. All bore the seal of service. All died in fire without warning, without mercy, and without redemption.

Yet no bells tolled for them.

No penance was demanded of the murderers.

No judgment fell from on high.

How can this be?
Have we grown so numb to destruction that civilian blood now carries no weight?

Have we surrendered the divine order of our society to the whims of profit, piracy, and capsuleer bloodlust?

Let us be clear.
The Scriptures do not exempt the capsuleer from accountability.
The Amarr Empire may elevate the faithful, but it does not absolve the arrogant.

To slay innocents for sport, to kill without cause, to trade lives for glory and killboards is not holy. It is heresy.

“He who casts aside the lives of others has cast aside the Word.”
– Book of Trials, 12:9

I call upon the Theology Council to convene an inquiry.
I call upon House Ardishapur to offer reparations to the families of the dead.
I call upon the Emperor’s Chosen to demand from CONCORD a restructuring of law in the name of sacred order.
And I call upon the Faithful Capsuleers to rise, not in vengeance, but in righteous defense.

Let it be known. Crew lives matter to Amarr. They are not disposable. They are sacred.
Their labor is holy. Their deaths must not go unanswered.

May the lost find peace in God’s embrace. May their sacrifice not be in vain.
And may the Empire remember what it means to protect its own.

Amen.

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:locked_with_key: CLASSIFIED – FOR TRIBAL EYES ONLY

DOCUMENT ID: MTC-RED-HSK127.612
DATE: YC 127.6.12
SOURCE: Brutor Vanguard Command Node, Hek
RE: Civilian Casualty Threshold Reached – Directive 88-B Activated

TO: All Tribal Militia Commanders, Resistance Cell Leaders, and Loyalist Capsuleer Contacts
FROM: High Elder Karn Verok – Vanguard Command, Brutor Tribal Security Wing

Subject: Enforcement Shift Authorization – Civilian Casualty Crisis Response

Per Directive 88-B, and under the authority granted by the Ashen Chain Compact of YC 122, all Brutor-aligned tribal forces are hereby authorized to escalate operational status in high-security systems experiencing repeated unpunished crew losses.

Key systems flagged include but are not limited to:
Uedama, Niarja, Madirmilire, Sivala, and Perimeter

Situation Overview:

Recent statistical analysis confirms over 1.2 million unarmed crew deaths aboard civilian and capsuleer-controlled vessels in the past 30 cycles. These deaths occurred predominantly in CONCORD-patrolled zones and involved no declaration of war, no opportunity for defense, and no lawful justification under Tribal or Interstellar Law.

The overwhelming majority of these casualties were non-cloned Minmatar-class laborers, many formerly enslaved or under post-servitude contracts. Their deaths are being disregarded as system noise by both CONCORD and foreign political authorities.

Effective Immediately:

  1. Risk Response Patrols are to be deployed to core trade lanes with independent authorization to intervene preemptively against known threat profiles.
  2. Capsuleer allies operating under tribal contract are cleared to engage gank-fitted vessels under the “Martyr’s Shield Doctrine” without the need for war declaration.
  3. Local communications jamming, warp interdiction, and logi denial protocols are authorized against Catalyst-class vessels and known gank fleets during active engagements.
  4. All civilian convoys bearing Brutor, Sebiestor, or allied tribal markings are to receive priority escort when operating in affected systems.
  5. No reprisals from CONCORD or empire authorities will override tribal right of retaliation under the Ashen Compact.

Commanders are reminded:
This is not a declaration of war.
This is a response to massacre.
This is not escalation.
This is protection.
This is not revenge.
This is remembrance.

“Let the wind carry their names. Let our fire carry the message.”
– High Elder Karn Verok

END MEMO
[Document encryption removed by whistleblower group VOX TRIBALIS]

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There’s a lot to cover.

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I thought that the capsuleer WAS the only crew, that the interface and pod allows for control of the entire ship by the capsuleer. However it’s been almost 20 years since i bothered to read about that

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Yes. The crew aren’t real people, you know. We’ll get over it.

It isn’t “mass murder” when it’s pixels, it’s called an Online Game.

There’s nothing to change and if there is, Devs will make determination.

:roll_eyes:

Useless idea.

Not needed.

Let’s not stop pretending, it helps take a step back on reality and develop imagination. It’s called roleplay.

Nonsense.

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ChatGPT apparently. :thinking:

:face_with_hand_over_mouth:

That’s some dedication reading all that ChatGPT slop. :eyes:

:ccpguard:

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You’re mistaken, sir. I didn’t read all that slop. I simply hovered high above the escrements and chose what I would quote.
It’s a fail even for ChatGTP. A.I is a tool, one needs skills to use it and obviously not everyone has them.

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That’s the lore I remember unless something changed.

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You need to start reading more and replying less.

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This story makes it explicit that:

“The crew knew the risks. But knowing didn’t make them any less dead.”

This again directly supports that ships have expendable, living, breathing human crew members and that many die when the ship explodes.

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Yes, but the crew aren’t real people, you know.

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Maybe they are formerly ganked miners, haulers and mission runners. :thinking:

:ccpguard:

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OMG. I never really thought about it…but thanks to you I feel that the Royal Society For Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals needs to be called in for every chess match.

I mean…think of all those horses massacred in chess tournaments. Just chucked to the side of the chess board and not given a second thought. With all the chess matches all over the world, this is cruelty on an unimaginable scale.

And the pawns ! Totally expendable human beings. Nameless characters mowed down so that some psychopathic chess player can get a few points.

Once we have sorted chess out…we should move on to any sport involving balls. I mean, only a psychopath would kick an emotionally sensitive football around a field for 90 minutes. Balls have feelings !

I am so glad you and your AI friend are putting the world to right.

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I don’t care who they are and when my ship explodes I will not give them a thought because they don’t exist.

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It takes more than 50,000 humans to run a Titan.

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Yes. But killing a whole race of imaginary humans isn’t genocide.