Why antigank?

I just got it! I know what you gankers are now.

Emotional Succubus

You thrive on feeding off of other people’s emotions and you crave that attention to get more emotional food.

Bam! Found out.

That’s very sad. You are a bunch of emotional vampires.
Oh well, it’s to be expected in a PvP game.

Both of these points are true.

An odd comment from someone who does not appear to have ever actually been ganked ( as with so many of the anti-gank whiners here ) yet seems emotionally obsessed with the issue…

bjorn-borg-forehand

@Gloria_Exercitus Yeah I don’t really want to waste time “forum waffling” with you.

Yeah…don’t waffle about it…join a gank fleet and see what it is really like. My first gank fleet was a heart pounding experience. Everything goes from boredom to split second timing, and the last thing you want to do is let the team down. So its actually quite exhilarating yet scary too. You don’t necessarily all arrive within ideal shooting distance of the target, and the optimal range for a Catalyst is pretty short. Its all a hectic few seconds…made harder by the fact that my Catalyst bounced off an asteroid. You have to actually do ganking to appreciate the allure of it.

If you haven’t seen whining from BOTH sides, you haven’t been reading the posts on these forums.

What’s scary about it? First ship goes out and bumps the mining barge or hauler. The rest follow immediately after and the command is given- Overheat, push F1, and wait to see which side gets blown up first. There’s no stress since you already know that you’ll lose your ships no matter what. You go into it knowing you’re going to get destroyed; you’re just hoping to take the mining barge with you. Doesn’t sound very stressful to me.

Maybe you should throw in a battle cry as you go in just to help with your nerves. Something like, “Valhalla’s Calling!” or “It’s a good day to die!” Getting all worked up over attacking a mining barge in what’s already known to be a suicide hit?

You all even get a “Warp to” feature to all come in on the target who is being bumped by the leader. There’s very little skill involved. Ganking is so old in this game that it’s down to a science now. The only guess-work is whether or not you have enough ships- does your target have the skill to Overheat an active tank. Just seems pretty chill to me. You either blow up the miner and get blown up by Concord… or you don’t blow up the miner and get blown up by Concord.

It’s called Selective Reading :grinning:

Fixed it for ya :wink:

So why are you so angry - angry miner?

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Maybe someone messed with his ISK/h, miners tend to be sensitive about such matters. :thinking:

:innocent:

Typing about ganking is very different to actually doing it. I could type about wingsuit jumping off the north face of the Eiger with great ease. I have no doubt actually doing it would be another matter entirely.

But its Eve…where everyone’s an expert in stuff they’ve never done.

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Wait… you’re comparing wingsuit jumping with being an F1 monkey on a computer game? Wow!

You go in to a gank situation- here’s what’s on the line:

15 million ISK. Win or lose, you’re out 15 million ISK.

If you do it right, you make someone else out a couple hundred million ISK. Doesn’t really change anything about your losses unless you manage to get some valuable salvage that brings you net positive. And you’re a bundle of nerves about this? You literally have nothing to lose except for a catalyst. There is NOT a skill level involved. You are an F1 monkey sitting in a disposable Catalyst. You are one of 10, 20, 50… nothing more. YOUR individual part is tiny. No real skill involved. You’re just a number. Just one more disposable ship.

You can’t compare that to the skills required to wingsuit jump. You lose all credibility when you try.

In the game I left to return to Eve, you build a keep and an army. Very complex with a hundred different ways to set up your offensive and defensive power. VERY expensive too. Now going into battle in THAT game was nerve wracking. A loss there could cost you a couple hundred dollars and several months to recover from. THAT was scary.

Losing a Catalyst? If that has you in knots, this may not be the game for you. Might I suggest buying a Venture and shooting lasers at rocks?

And nice edit by the way… now you’re comparing suicide ganking to scoring an extra point in a football game with an opposing team of players charging right towards you. Wow…

You’re just one disposable ship in a group of disposable ships.

Nope. Factor in clone tags and Concord fee and the true cost per gank is more like 35m ISK.

I’ve actually done ganking. All you have is theorycrafting what you imagine it ‘might’ be like. Everything is easy when you’ve never actually done it.

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no_plan_survives_contact_with_the_enemy

Or in EVE’s case: no theorycrafting survives the first Limited Engagement. :smirk:

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most of those ships are donated by the corp so… cost is back down to 20m.

I can make that much in my sleep. I’ve done it. No skill and no loss.

Oh and I don’t just mine. I’ve got a T3 cruiser, battleships, and more. I’ve ratted alone in 0.2 and I do quite a lot of combat missions every day.

Attacking an unarmed mining ship in a large group of cats is not a task that requires any skill. I’ve also done PvP. It’s not hard to do in this game.

Most of the factors you mention seem to be based upon the assumption that the ganker is in a corp, and not the sort which is stuffed with his own alts.

The solo ganker exists and - despite the challenges - manages to find entertainment and enjoyment in the game. That is his own choice, of course; it’s nice that CCP recognises and allows for such play.

For the solo ganker, then, the costs can mount up very quickly, and, at some point, a decision has to be made: Is it worth it? The same choice faces many EVE players, I know (if I don’t mention it, Kezrai will have my guts for garters), and a player’s answer to that question will vary according to their requirements and means.

I have no doubt, Glenduil, that you have done many things in EVE which I’ve not even touched! However, ganking - solo ganking - is (or was, truthfully) my speciality. Although there are aspects of it which are routine, or become routine, there are factors which are unpredictable, a real test of a player’s knowledge and skill. These begin long before you even undock. As a solo ganker, you can rarely simply land in a belt and have at it!

Perhaps you hadn’t considered the solo ganker in your survey of the activity.

Solo? The guy who uses a program to multibox 30 accounts at once? Yeah I know about those. Every account does the same thing and all ships move in as one. It’s not hard to multi-box. It’s simply expensive. Anyone can do it.

Well the ganked Retriever is likely covered by corp SRP…in which case the owner has lost nothing at all.