2 Years of Faction Grind (Standing 7.0+) about to be wasted by a COSMOS bug and CCP Support’s "Deprecated Content" excuse. Need help!

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Hello fellow Capsuleers,

I am writing this out of pure frustration and as a last resort. I have spent over 2 years meticulously preparing my character to complete the Caldari COSMOS arc. This involved grinding Amarr Empire faction standing to 7.0+ by running Epic Arcs every 3 months—the only consistent way to get ~0.8 standing per run.

Now, all that effort is about to be permanently lost because of a technical bug and a lack of support response.

The Situation:
I am on the mission “Escape From The Lion’s Den - Key To Survival” (Otomainen system). This mission is “once-per-lifetime” and has a strict 7-day timer.

Griefing & Monopoly:
For days, a group called “10 Potatoes” [PP] has been camping the site. They don’t do the mission; they farm the unique daily structure to monopolize the “Myrkai’s Data Chip” and sell it for an extortionate 2 Billion ISK on contracts, effectively locking the content for everyone else.

The Attack & My Preparation:
I didn’t ask for a handout. On March 1st, I attempted to reach the site in my 1-billion ISK Leshak. I was immediately intercepted and suicide-ganked by the “10 Potatoes” fleet (Randy Marsh South, Innkeeper EVE, and others). I barely managed to survive and save my ship thanks to a Micro Jump Drive, while their ships were destroyed by CONCORD.

Instead of complaining, I adapted. I invested in a specialized Strategic Cruiser (Loki) with a Covert Ops Cloak and Interdiction Nullifier specifically to bypass these players and ninja-loot the item under their noses.

The Technical Bug:
On March 2nd, I was the first on the site immediately after Downtime. I waited in cloak 4km from the agent for over 2 hours. Other professional pilots (a Panther, a Golem, and an Alligator) also arrived and waited. The structure simply failed to spawn. We all waited 90+ minutes, and eventually, even the veteran campers left because the site was bugged. I stayed for the full 2 hours to be absolutely sure.

The Support Issue (Ticket #2596035]):
I contacted CCP Support, and the initial response I got from GM Wren was: “COSMOS is old/deprecated content, we lack the information to support it.”

It has now been 3 days without any further response to my escalation. My mission expires on March 7th. If it fails, I am permanently locked out of this content, and my 24 months of standing grind becomes worthless because of a server-side spawn failure.

Since when is “it’s old content” a valid excuse for letting a 2-year player investment die to a technical glitch? I’m not asking for a ship SRP; I’m asking for a manual mission reset or the quest item that physically didn’t spawn after DT.

CCPls, don’t let 2 years of loyalty and effort go down the drain because of a “deprecated” tag.
@CCP_Swift @CCP_Paragon @CCP_Games

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a two-year journey, yet you do no research ? the item you seek can be obtained -before- accepting the mission. it could have spawned after the two hours you waited, so you can’t call it a bug. players camping the spawn sites has been going on from the start, and your issue has nothing to do with it being old/deprecated. good luck

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It’s easy to criticize when you’re just reading a post, but let’s look at the facts.

First, I am well aware the item can be obtained beforehand. The problem isn’t my ‘lack of research’—it’s the fact that a group has a complete monopoly on the spawn, selling a mission item for 2 Billion ISK. That’s not ‘emergent gameplay’; that’s a hostage situation for unique content.

Second, regarding the ‘bug’: I waited for over 2 hours immediately after Downtime. In COSMOS mechanics, if a static structure fails to spawn within the first 120 minutes of a fresh server soul, it is objectively a spawn failure or a script error. Waiting longer than 2 hours for a daily static reset isn’t ‘part of the challenge’—it’s a broken mechanic.

Lastly, the ‘deprecated’ part isn’t my invention—it’s the exact wording CCP Support used to justify their lack of action.

I’ve done the grind, I’ve risked the ships, and I’ve done the math. I’m not asking for luck; I’m asking for the game to function as intended for the effort I’ve put in for 2 years.

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Ahh, running the Amarr Agent - Akemon Tolan - stuck in the ‘Prison Stage’ of the Complex… Definitely don’t want to miss out on completing his mission series, the rewards are some very high value items…

Sucks that Otomainen system is behind 0.4 Ihakana system which is constantly camped… Gratz on escaping their trap…

Unfortunately CCP’s ‘Customer Support’ is pretty much a joke nowadays… Might be helpful to politely request that your ‘Support Ticket’ be escalated to a Senior GM… However since you’ve already spoken to the Agent, time is definitely not on your side… Probably be best to just purchase the item so you can complete the mission on time before it expires…

The main thing to remember with Cosmos missions is to always research the Agent’s mission series first, make a list of all items needed to complete that Agent’s mission series and if possible, go collect all those items first before talking to the Agent.. That way you can just visit the Agent once and complete all the missions in one encounter…

Anyway, hope everything works out and may you have good luck…

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Sounds like Eve working as it has always worked: dangling some irrelevant PVE arc in front of a player, present it as rewarding MMO content, just to create an extortionist situation based on the kind of timers and unique drops you’d expect in a 90’s MMO or mobile game.

I think this kind of deception is childish and stupid, but some manager probably calculated that it somehow benefits Eve to maintain the old COSMOS content. Most people I knew bounced off off COSMOS stuff and decided to not bother at all by doing the exact same math.

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You should be able to ask them to cancel/reset the mission for you.

Since it sounds like you can get the item without actually having the mission, why not attempt to farm it before you re-accept?

Asking politely opens more doors than banging on them does.

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Worth a try but due to the nature of the subject matter GMs took a stance on COSMOS missions that they do not touch anything related to them, not just altering the missions by the devs but the GMs themselves assisting with related problems.

It is similar to losses in abyss being hard not reimbursable. Though they might still make an exception in case of a COSMOS mission every once in a while, can’t know for sure without asking.

:psyccp:

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I had one reset for me after I found out you can accept a mission before it’s possible to actually complete it due to a related mission being standing locked.

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Thank you, DeMichael Crimson, for your understanding and the solid advice.

You’re absolutely right about researching COSMOS beforehand—I actually did exactly that. My plan was to ninja-loot the item using my Loki right after Downtime to avoid the 2-billion ISK extortion. I was prepared for the players and the gate camps, but I wasn’t prepared for the server itself failing to spawn the object.

Regarding the suggestion to just buy the item: while I understand it’s a ‘last resort’ to save the 2-year grind, I find it fundamentally wrong to reward a monopoly that thrives on a broken/bugged spawn system. Paying 2 billion ISK because a static mission object physically didn’t exist in space for 2 hours after DT feels like rewarding the glitch, not the gameplay.

I have already requested an escalation to a Senior GM, as you suggested. I’m just hoping they see the difference between ‘tough gameplay’ and a ‘technical failure’ before the March 7th deadline.

Fly safe and thanks for the support!

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I completely agree, Inxentas. The COSMOS mechanics feel like a relic from a different era of gaming, where artificial scarcity and ‘extortionist’ timers are the only thing keeping the content relevant. Most players indeed choose to ignore it for this exact reason.

The irony here is that I actually accepted that ‘childish’ challenge. I spent 2 years grinding the 7.0 standing, I built a specialized ship to bypass the player-made extortion, and I showed up on time. I was ready for the ‘90s MMO’ difficulty.

What I wasn’t ready for is the game simply failing to function. It’s one thing to fight other players for a rare drop; it’s another thing entirely when the server doesn’t even spawn the object you’re supposed to fight over.

CCP can’t have it both ways—they can’t keep this ‘hardcore’ legacy content in the game and then refuse to support it when the basic scripts fail to run after Downtime. If they want to keep COSMOS, they need to make sure it actually spawns.

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I appreciate the suggestion, but that is exactly the problem I am reporting. I was there for over 2 hours immediately after Downtime to ‘farm’ the item as you suggest, but the structure simply did not spawn.

You cannot farm an object that doesn’t exist in space due to a technical bug.

Regarding ‘asking politely’: I have been extremely patient. I spent 2 years preparing for this, I invested in a specialized ship to handle the player-made challenges, and I have waited for 4 days for a meaningful response to my support ticket.

I’m not ‘banging on doors’ for no reason—I’m reporting a documented technical failure that is about to invalidate 24 months of effort because the mission timer expires on March 7th. Asking to reset or grant the item is exactly what I did, but being told ‘the content is deprecated’ as an excuse for a broken spawn is why I am here.

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Hey, I’m actually the person you’re criticizing here. Let me clarify a few things.
First, you came into someone else’s home system, kicked open the door without understanding the COSMOS mechanics, missions, structures, cycles, etc., and tried to grab items you needed without so much as a greeting. Local players were subtly signaling that this isn’t how things work here. You then decided to show off your “mega pimped” ship and are genuinely surprised that it got “accepted”? Try doing the same in Uedama or Obanen and see what happens.

Second, your claim that the structure didn’t spawn is simply not true—it always spawns. If you didn’t find it, someone else probably got there first. The real abuse of mechanics is whining to GMs like “restore my mission, give me the item, or just complete the quest for me because aaaah… someone extorted me, the server glitched, and I didn’t even try to figure things out.” That’s the kind of behavior that undermines the game.

Third, the complex where you’re trying to get the item is called “Contested Guristas Outrider Post” — the name itself indicates it’s a competition. You can always be faster, smarter, or luckier than others, but like in real life, it requires effort, focus, and skill. Instead, you chose to whine on the forum and blame everyone around you, claiming extortion or server failure.
Who and what exactly supposedly extorted you? Items like these are available in contracts—you are never forced to buy anything from anyone. You try to complete a mission whose reward is more than three times the value of the item in contracts without actually learning how anything works. Did you try asking for help? Maybe someone would have guided you.

Last but not least: publicly posting CCP correspondence violates the EULA and is just poor etiquette.

If you want to save your mission, send me an in-game message. I’ll think about what can be done.

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It’s interesting to hear your ‘perspective,’ but let’s separate your manipulation from the reality of what’s happening in Otomainen.

First, don’t lecture me on COSMOS mechanics. I completed this exact chain 2 years ago, successfully receiving the Michi’s Excavation Augmentor when it was worth 2.1B ISK. I know exactly how this system works, and I didn’t need your ‘guidance’ then, and I don’t need it now.

Second, let’s talk about your ‘home system.’ What I saw upon entering was you running two Rattlesnakes 24/7, farming quest NPCs with tractor beams to prevent any other player from progressing. This isn’t ‘living’ in a system; it’s industrial-scale griefing of a static mission site.

Third, regarding my Leshak: I arrived after Downtime to interact with the agent. I was first in the ‘Contested Guristas Outrider Post,’ and you were second. To stop me, you suddenly logged in 5 ganking accounts simultaneously. The precision of that attack—multiboxing with such coordination—strongly suggests the use of prohibited third-party software for input broadcasting, which is a direct violation of EULA. You didn’t ‘outplay’ me; you attempted to break the game rules to protect your monopoly because you couldn’t beat me to the gate.

Fourth, your ‘contracts’ are a joke. You sell a mission item for 2 Billion ISK, knowing full well the reward it grants is only worth about 1 Billion ISK. You aren’t ‘providing a service’; you are trying to extort players who don’t know the math, relying on the fact that you’ve blocked the actual content.

Finally, about the ‘bug’: The next day, I came back in a cloaked Loki. I was the FIRST person in the final room after Downtime because I cleared the gate immediately. I sat there for over 2 hours. Four other players came and went. The structure did not spawn. Your claim that it ‘always spawns’ is a blatant lie intended to cover up a broken script that you benefit from.

You aren’t a ‘local guardian’—you are a troll who relies on multiboxing and exploit-adjacent behavior because you can’t compete fairly. I’ll stick with the GMs; at least they don’t charge 2 billion for a glitch.

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Heh, a newly created forum account posting a load of BS…

First off, it’s not your system, you can’t claim sovereignty on a High or Low Sec system… Just because your gang of grifters have it camped 24/7 doesn’t mean you own it… He definitely doesn’t have to announce himself or his intentions, just like how you and your griefer gang didn’t announce your intentions… And just exactly how did he ‘Show Off’ his ship? Did he post his fit in Local?

Secondly, sometimes the Cosmos missions and items don’t spawn correctly… That’s been the case ever since I ran Cosmos back in 2010… In the past I’ve had GM’s reset Cosmos missions and even spawn the correct amount of item’s for me so yeah, it definitely doesn’t hurt to ask…

Lastly, CCP’s Customer Support system is a joke nowadays, they’re lazy and their go-to answer is almost always ‘Go ask in the forums’… Considering the fact that you engage in grief play, it’s comical that you would cite EULA rules here..

The fact that you have the gall to post your self-righteous indignation here is unbelievable, especially since you’re nothing more than a grifter grief player who camps a Cosmos site 24/7 with a gang to gank players and collect Cosmos items…

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Huge thanks for the backup. It’s refreshing to see someone who actually understands the difference between healthy PvP and a toxic 24/7 gatekeeping gang. You hit the nail on the head regarding the COSMOS bugs—it’s legacy content that has been broken for ages, and instead of fixing it, CCP just lets these griefers turn it into a private 2-billion ISK farm.

The GM response was indeed a joke. Telling me to “bring friends” to a bugged site that’s being exploited by campers is just peak laziness. I’m glad someone else sees through the self-righteous BS they post on the forums. I’m here to play the game and run the content, not to fund a bunch of grifters who think they “own” a public beacon.

Appreciate the support, fly safe!

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If they are able to control it and prevent others from accessing it, do they not effectively own it in every way that fundamentally matters?

They don’t need sov mechanics to be the de facto owner of a resource.

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There is a huge difference between “de facto ownership” through PvP and simply exploiting bugs to break the game for everyone else. They aren’t just controlling a resource; they are physically parking their ships and mobile depots exactly on the spawn points to block the server-side script.

Because of this collision exploit, the event structure fails to spawn entirely after downtime. It’s not “owning a resource” if the resource never even appears because you’ve glitched the spawn. Having to wait for another daily restart just to see if they’ll let the server trigger the script this time isn’t gameplay—it’s a broken mechanic.

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You haven’t actually presented any credible evidence of a bug having been exploited.

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This is just evidence that a player filed a bug report, not a confirmation of a bug and certainly not of an exploit.

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